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Posted 03 October 2010 - 10:30 PM

View PostWyrdlight, on 03 October 2010 - 10:28 PM, said:

So they had the capability to use nukes for two years in combination with V-1's/v-2's and did not, why?

They did not.

All wild speculation, in fact as I said above, the nuke was not even a priority for the Germans. They never got out of the theoretical phase.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:24 PM

Who comes up with this silly stuff? Oh Rainer Karlsch......


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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:27 PM

View PostEluveit, on 03 October 2010 - 11:51 AM, said:

Why did they do that??

They sent the stuff their by u-boat with designs of German aircraft too for Japan to continue the war.

Its in all the history books.

Perhaps Hitler was onboard one too?


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Posted 04 October 2010 - 02:29 PM

View PostWyrdlight, on 03 October 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:

If the Germans had access to nukes, why did they not simply put them in v2's and knock Britain out of the war in weeks.

Nukes + v2's = War winning technology, why waste a valuble nuke on a handful of Russian Infantry when you could force an entire nations surrender?

Bearing in mind the allies were panicing in the last months of the war and desperately trying to knock Germany out it wouldnt surprise me if Hitler was on the verge of having a viable a-bomb.


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Posted 04 October 2010 - 03:09 PM

Except that his scientists didn't know how to build one. Nor did they have a planet to make one. The closest thing they had to a plant that might have been able to do that was destroyed in March 1945.

Look closely at what the Americans and Soviets had to commit as resources to get it done then look at what Germany did - not even close.

Take a look at the weight of the first warheads made - how would the German's have lifted them? That is if they had made one.

Strangely skilled percision workers don't recall having made the materials or the mechanism to do all of this

Its all space gas.......


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Posted 04 October 2010 - 03:35 PM

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According to U-234's radio operator Wolfgang Hirschfeld in his autobiography part of the cargo was even offloaded and flown to Tokyo from a Norwegian airfield. German armaments minister Albert Speer confirms this in his memoirs and mentions the flight was by Junkers Ju-390 on 28 March 1945.    


Whatever happened - it didn't happen in a Junkers Ju 390!

Only 2 prototypes (V1 and V2) were built. Ju 390V1 was returned to Dessau in November 1944, where it was stripped of parts and finally destroyed in late April 1945 as the American Army approached. The fate of V2 is less clear, but to cut a long story short - Karl Kssler and Gnter Ott, in their book 'Die Geschichte einer Flugzeugfamilie' state that it was destroyed 'somewhere near Babenhausen in spring 1945.

Considerable interest was displayed in the planned Ju 390A-1, an ultra-long range aircraft by the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force. In the autumn of 1944, the Japanese government acquired a manufacturing license for the Ju 390A-1. Under the licensing agreement, detailed manufacturing drawings were scheduled to be handed over to the Imperial Japanese Army's representative, Major-General Otani, by February 28, 1945.

There is no record of this part of the agreement having been fulfilled.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 03:44 PM

Intersting article, I had no idea they were even working on atomic weapons.  It seems we have a few knowledgable people in the forums on this topic as well.  :tu:

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 04:33 PM

View PostWyrdlight, on 03 October 2010 - 10:28 PM, said:

So they had the capability to use nukes for two years in combination with V-1's/v-2's and did not, why?

Clearly you're not well-versed in conspiracy nuttery, where common sense and practicality are liabilities in understanding "What's Really Going OnTM."

I'm just thankful the internet is around is produce anonymous, third-hand reports and unsourced but unimpeachable claims.

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Posted 04 October 2010 - 05:52 PM

In 1946 David Snell wrote a newspaper article that claimed the Japanese had set off a nuke in China. Needless to say it was, dare I say it, nonsense too. The Japanese nuclear program never got out of the lab and was further behind than the German one. The Germans got out of the lab (somewhat) and moved to experimentation but went down the wrong path.

I could find no record of any flight of German aircraft to Japan. As some one noted the aircraft stated to have done it didn't exist at the time it was suppose to have happened......and of course the Japanese didn't happen to notice a plane flying in from Norway either.

Looks like lots of made up stuff sprinkled with quote mining, wishful thinking and just bad research.


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Posted 05 October 2010 - 08:16 PM

If I recall correctly, there was some U-boat traffic between Germany and Japan which continued into the late stages of the war and it is rumoured that some V-2's and nuclear material were listed on the cargo manifests.
There were quite a few advanced German aircraft that found their way to Japan, (He-162, Me-262 etc.), but it was of course to have very little bearing on the ultimate outcome, as the Axis was well behind in the Atomic weapons research field, due in no small part to the Nazi's persecution of the pioneering theoretical physicists such as Bohr and Teller, (amongst others). How ironic!. :tu: .

Edited by Reverend Clog, 05 October 2010 - 08:17 PM.

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Posted 05 October 2010 - 09:00 PM

View Posttazjet, on 03 October 2010 - 10:04 AM, said:

The following intercepted Japanese diplomatic ...

... that their encyphered diplomatic signals from Berlin and Stockholm were being read in London and Washington.


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 07:05 PM

View PostBelial, on 03 October 2010 - 10:35 AM, said:

The germans did not get passed the 'heavy water' testing stages of nuclear bomb creation (thankfully).

Tired old false Heavy Water cliche about the Nazi atomic bomb project...

The truth is they had:

# 1) Leuna plant south of Mersberg near Berlin (Harteck/Suess process - codename Stalin Organ)

# 2) Kiel Plant 4 km outside Kiel, wooded area (Dr K Geib’s hydrogen sulphide exchange process)

# 3) Hamburg Plant (possibly near Zeven, Harteck low pressure distilation process)

# 4) Munich Plant (Clusius-Linde, Nernst Distribution Process)

Outside Germany:

# 5) Vemork (Haber-Bosch process) Norway

# 6) Saheim (Haber-Bosch process) Norway

# 7) Montecantini plant at Merano, Italy  (near Bolzano)

The Vemork plant was disassembled by 11 August 1944. Nine of the electrolytic cells were re-established at the Dahlem bunker in Berlin. another nine were re-established at Haigerloch in southern Germany.

Incidentally after the war Dr Paul Harteck disclosed the Heavy Water sunk on the Hydro Ferry was swapped in advance for slightly concentrated water thanks to advance warning of a sabotage attempt. Six weeks later when six drums which floated free of the ferry arrived at the laboratory of Karl Wirtz, he demanded to know from Harteck why Harteck had even bothered? Then Harteck surprised Wirtz by producing the real shipment taken out by lorry.

Edited by tazjet, 01 November 2010 - 07:07 PM.


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 07:17 PM

View Postealdwita, on 04 October 2010 - 03:35 PM, said:

Whatever happened - it didn't happen in a Junkers Ju 390!

Only 2 prototypes (V1 and V2) were built. Ju 390V1 was returned to Dessau in November 1944, where it was stripped of parts and finally destroyed in late April 1945 as the American Army approached. The fate of V2 is less clear, but to cut a long story short - Karl Kssler and Gnter Ott, in their book 'Die Geschichte einer Flugzeugfamilie' state that it was destroyed 'somewhere near Babenhausen in spring 1945.

Considerable interest was displayed in the planned Ju 390A-1, an ultra-long range aircraft by the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force. In the autumn of 1944, the Japanese government acquired a manufacturing license for the Ju 390A-1. Under the licensing agreement, detailed manufacturing drawings were scheduled to be handed over to the Imperial Japanese Army's representative, Major-General Otani, by February 28, 1945.

There is no record of this part of the agreement having been fulfilled.

Ott and Kossler have also stated that the second prototype must have been built in September 1944 when in fact the emergency fighter program of 3 July 1944 saw cancellation of the Ju-390 project. Junkers was compensated in July 1944 for seven incomplete Ju-390 airframes.

Ott & Kossler are wrong claiming that the second prototype was built months after production was scrapped. They have been embarrassed by new information which emerged since their book was published and have tried to adapt their claims to nulify the inconsistency.

Airframes which were scrapped were being manufactured before July.

Incidentally It was recommended to Erhard Milch by a Reichlin official that they dispense with the second prototype ("V2") and re-designate it the A-1 production aircraft. (Source author & researcher Geoffrey Brooks)


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 07:30 PM

View Posttazjet, on 01 November 2010 - 07:05 PM, said:

Tired old false Heavy Water cliche about the Nazi atomic bomb project...

The truth is they had:

# 1) Leuna plant south of Mersberg near Berlin (Harteck/Suess process - codename Stalin Organ)

# 2) Kiel Plant 4 km outside Kiel, wooded area (Dr K Geibs hydrogen sulphide exchange process)

# 3) Hamburg Plant (possibly near Zeven, Harteck low pressure distilation process)

# 4) Munich Plant (Clusius-Linde, Nernst Distribution Process)

Outside Germany:

# 5) Vemork (Haber-Bosch process) Norway

# 6) Saheim (Haber-Bosch process) Norway

# 7) Montecantini plant at Merano, Italy  (near Bolzano)

The Vemork plant was disassembled by 11 August 1944. Nine of the electrolytic cells were re-established at the Dahlem bunker in Berlin. another nine were re-established at Haigerloch in southern Germany.

Incidentally after the war Dr Paul Harteck disclosed the Heavy Water sunk on the Hydro Ferry was swapped in advance for slightly concentrated water thanks to advance warning of a sabotage attempt. Six weeks later when six drums which floated free of the ferry arrived at the laboratory of Karl Wirtz, he demanded to know from Harteck why Harteck had even bothered? Then Harteck surprised Wirtz by producing the real shipment taken out by lorry.

I think we have to take into consideration allied propaganda.

Would they ever tell us if they'd produced small amounts of nuclear material and used them on the Russians?

All I know is in the last weeks of the war the Aliies were paniacing and desperate to defeat Hitler. I think a large scale bomb was on its way.


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Posted 01 November 2010 - 07:36 PM

View PostHanslune, on 04 October 2010 - 03:09 PM, said:

Except that his scientists didn't know how to build one. Nor did they have a planet to make one. The closest thing they had to a plant that might have been able to do that was destroyed in March 1945.

Look closely at what the Americans and Soviets had to commit as resources to get it done then look at what Germany did - not even close.

Take a look at the weight of the first warheads made - how would the German's have lifted them? That is if they had made one.

Strangely skilled percision workers don't recall having made the materials or the mechanism to do all of this

Its all space gas.......


Hanslune the American atomic bombs were very primative affairs. In USA there were two bomb projects. Not one. The method used to enrich Uranium was very primative (gaseous diffusion) whilst the Germans were light years ahead. The gaseous ultracentrifuge for example was thirty times more efficient at enrichment than was the American process. The Zippe thermal convection centrifuge method was even more advanced than the ultracentrifuge.

The so called Zippe centrifuge according to history books was developed in Russia after the war and brought to the west by a German engineer named Guernot Zippe. In reality the Zippe was actually developed in wartime Germany by Dr Hans Martin and Dr Richard Kuhn at Hamburg.

However the crowning glory was an advanced particle accelerator developed at Bisingen by Swiss scientist Walter Dallenbach (Forschunhgsstelle D). Dallenbach's particle accelerator could perform the same function as a heavy water reactor, through a nuclear photo-chemistry process. Today we call that process, LENR.

If you refer to the Woods memorandum, pages 18-19, part of the Hull Papers refers to nuclear tests just south of Bisingen on 4th, 14th and 22nd of July 1943. Later in 1944 there was a further test blast on a wooded hill south of Munich near Starnbergersee. The BIOS report of this talks about a forest being flattened for 4-4.5km radius and damage out to 12.5km





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