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#1    Kowalski

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 10:34 PM

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Chaos reigned in the final minutes of the Texas Senate late Tuesday night as opponents of a strict abortion bill succeeded in killing the measure, using a sprawling Democrat-led filibuster, egged on by noisy "unruly mob" protests, to blunt last-ditch efforts by Republicans to save the legislation.

The drama centered largely around Democratic state Sen. Wendy Davis, who staged an hours-long, old-fashioned filibuster on the Senate floor against a bill to ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy.

Republicans initially succeeded in cutting her filibuster off, in part by objecting when another lawmaker helped her with a back brace. But protesters picked up where she left off, jeering at lawmakers as they rushed to meet a midnight deadline for the bill.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.c...s#ixzz2XMaBjZcc


This whole bill got me thinking....
​Most of you know, I'm not a big fan of abortion...I never have been. I do think under certain circumstances, it should be allowed, medical emergencies, incest, and rape....But, I also know, you can't make people be responsible, either. So, instead of trying to ban abortion, how about we legislate some common sense laws on it...

1) No abortions after 20 weeks, unless it's a medical emergency. I mean we as talking about a five month old baby here...
2) No using abortion as birth control....

​With all the birth control methods out there, we really shouldn't be having this conversation. Honestly, I don't want a woman, who is "suddenly" pregnant to die from a botched abortion because she can't afford a child. But I also don't want idiot women having multiple abortions or aborting a five month old baby, either....

Why can't their be some common ground here? Why does it have to be a all or nothing approach?


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 10:46 PM

I think this shows what a joke much of the political process can be. It's an important decision, and both sides have valid arguments. That the decision hinged on whether someone could talk non stop for 10 hours shows how puerile politics can be.

That said, there does need to be common ground.

Whatever anyone's opinion on abortion, it will happen. Societies have to decide whether they accept this fact and legislate that it happens safely, or ignore it and compel women to return to back street butchers.

As I understand it, the effect of the Bill would have been the closure of nearly all abortion clinics in Texas. That seems to be the equivalent of banning it completely. If a service is not accessible then it might as well not be there.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 10:48 PM

I agree with you :tu: . Your compromise you posted is exactly how i feel. Why cant we just use common sense.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 10:53 PM

Whick is worse front yard butchers or back yard butchers.

A front yard butcher I give you the gentleman who was just found guilty of murder, for killing birthed babies.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:04 PM

View PostKowalski, on 26 June 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

Read more: http://www.foxnews.c...s#ixzz2XMaBjZcc


This whole bill got me thinking....
​Most of you know, I'm not a big fan of abortion...I never have been. I do think under certain circumstances, it should be allowed, medical emergencies, incest, and rape....But, I also know, you can't make people be responsible, either. So, instead of trying to ban abortion, how about we legislate some common sense laws on it...

1) No abortions after 20 weeks, unless it's a medical emergency. I mean we as talking about a five month old baby here...
2) No using abortion as birth control....

​With all the birth control methods out there, we really shouldn't be having this conversation. Honestly, I don't want a woman, who is "suddenly" pregnant to die from a botched abortion because she can't afford a child. But I also don't want idiot women having multiple abortions or aborting a five month old baby, either....

Why can't their be some common ground here? Why does it have to be a all or nothing approach?

I also wanted to add;  This is a one gender only issue, so I think only one gender should be allowed to vote on this issue.  I'm a male, and I don't think I should have the right to tell a woman or women what they can or can't do on an issue that is a woman only issue.

For the gentlemen that say, "Well that's my baby too" or the classic "If she can choose to get rid of it, I should be able to sign away rights to the child if I don't want it," life's not fair and balance.  Men don't carry a mass that will become a person for 9 months, they don't have a menstrual cycle.  What everyone seems to forget in the Western World is that pregnancy can be very dangerous to the mother and the unborn.  Anyone pay attention about 6 months ago in Ireland?


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:11 PM

View PostArbenol68, on 26 June 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

I think this shows what a joke much of the political process can be. It's an important decision, and both sides have valid arguments. That the decision hinged on whether someone could talk non stop for 10 hours shows how puerile politics can be.

That said, there does need to be common ground.

Whatever anyone's opinion on abortion, it will happen. Societies have to decide whether they accept this fact and legislate that it happens safely, or ignore it and compel women to return to back street butchers.

As I understand it, the effect of the Bill would have been the closure of nearly all abortion clinics in Texas. That seems to be the equivalent of banning it completely. If a service is not accessible then it might as well not be there.

I agree. :tu:

While I agreed on the bill's "20 week ban" I didn't like those other restrictions, nor the fact in an emergency medical situation if the woman was over 20 weeks, she couldn't abort, even if the baby was dead! How cruel is that? And closing down all those clinics? What did they want women to do, die from back street alley abortions? :no:

Abortions are going to happen, no matter what. Why not have some regulations and laws, that most people can agree to? I think a 20 week ban, except in a medical emergency, is something most people could agree with.

Edited by Kowalski, 26 June 2013 - 11:13 PM.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:16 PM

View Postgreen_dude777, on 26 June 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:



I also wanted to add;  This is a one gender only issue, so I think only one gender should be allowed to vote on this issue.  I'm a male, and I don't think I should have the right to tell a woman or women what they can or can't do on an issue that is a woman only issue.

For the gentlemen that say, "Well that's my baby too" or the classic "If she can choose to get rid of it, I should be able to sign away rights to the child if I don't want it," life's not fair and balance.  Men don't carry a mass that will become a person for 9 months, they don't have a menstrual cycle.  What everyone seems to forget in the Western World is that pregnancy can be very dangerous to the mother and the unborn.  Anyone pay attention about 6 months ago in Ireland?

Pro choicers kill it a parisite.  The man should have something to say. That is husbands.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:20 PM

I agree on no abortions after 20 weeks unless it is to save the life of the mother.  I also don't like the idea of people using abortion as a form of birth control.  I don't want to see women to have to get a back alley abortion which often times killed the mother.  So I don't want abortion made totally illegal but there has to be some limits.

EDIT:  Actually I could go for 16 weeks, that's about 4 months.

Edited by Hilander, 26 June 2013 - 11:42 PM.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:21 PM

View Postdanielost, on 26 June 2013 - 11:16 PM, said:

Pro choicers kill it a parisite.  The man should have something to say. That is husbands.

Not sure what you're saying, I think you meant "Pro choice people call it a parasite, the man should have something to say, which is the husband".

I disagree.  I think it's easy for you to say that because you never in your life will be faced with the dangers of carrying a fetus.  To each their own opinion though.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:23 PM

View PostKowalski, on 26 June 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

I agree. :tu:

While I agreed on the bill's "20 week ban" I didn't like those other restrictions, nor the fact in an emergency medical situation if the woman was over 20 weeks, she couldn't abort, even if the baby was dead! How cruel is that? And closing down all those clinics? What did they want women to do, die from back street alley abortions? :no:

Abortions are going to happen, no matter what. Why not have some regulations and laws, that most people can agree to? I think a 20 week ban, except in a medical emergency, is something most people could agree with.
That bill might of had a chance if it hadn't been for the other restrictions which I felt were too extreme.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:29 PM

I think we need to get rid of abortion on demand.  That is whole sell murder.  A real docter should be involved and maybe done in a hospital in case something goes wrong.

People are getting rich off of murder.

How come the two ladies seem to be more flexable than the men

Edited by danielost, 26 June 2013 - 11:30 PM.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:47 PM

View Postdanielost, on 26 June 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

I think we need to get rid of abortion on demand.  That is whole sell murder.  A real docter should be involved and maybe done in a hospital in case something goes wrong.

People are getting rich off of murder.

How come the two ladies seem to be more flexable than the men
I don't see it that way, there are some men that see it about the same way Kowalski and I do.  Name me something that people do that takes expertise and a Phd that they don't get rich off of.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 12:50 AM

View PostHilander, on 26 June 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

That bill might of had a chance if it hadn't been for the other restrictions which I felt were too extreme.

That's what makes me so mad! That bill could have put an end to late term abortions (except in emergency circumstances) and they put all this c**** added to it! :no:
It's almost like they wanted it to fail, and keep people divided...


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 01:03 AM

View Postdanielost, on 26 June 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

I think we need to get rid of abortion on demand.

True.

There are women out there, that use abortion like birth control, and that has to stop. I think most people would agree with you on that.
I think, besides the rules I stated in the above OP, one thing that would drastically help reduce abortions, would be birth control sold by the pharmacist over the counter, like they do, certain cold or allergy meds... With those meds, you have to show your ID to a pharmacist, and you tell them what medicine you want, and they sell it to you. Maybe they could have a similar system for birth control? I don't know it's just a thought....

Edited by Kowalski, 27 June 2013 - 01:04 AM.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 01:09 AM

Well the problem is that the abortion lobby (taking a page from the gun lobby) believes that there is zero compromise in this area and that any restrictions placed on abortion are nothing more than backhanded attempts to ban the procedure.

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