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#8821    Abramelin

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:28 PM

View PostKnul, on 18 December 2011 - 02:22 PM, said:

The various almanaks give basic astronomy information about positions of stars, sun and moon.

That is not nearly enough.

I talk about an ephemeris, planet tables used to calculate the position of sun, moon, planets and varous other heavenly features (Caput Draconis, Caudis Draconis, ""fixed stars" and so on) for a certain point in time.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:29 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 18 December 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

I have also wondered why those (national) yellow flowers changed into red and looked like hearts. Are there still old flags/emblems around with these flowers still being yellow?
The people from Groningen tell, that their flag with hearts has been borrowed by the Frisians and changed to the pompebledar because of Hamconius. The official flag shows two lions. The Frisian flag with pompebledar is still informal.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:35 PM

Ah, you were first...

View PostAbramelin, on 18 December 2011 - 01:57 PM, said:

"with a small house upon it out of which they look at the stars"
The original fragment [106/16]:

EN LTH HUSKE THR VPPA. HWNA MAN THA STRA BISJATH


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:37 PM

View PostOtharus, on 18 December 2011 - 02:35 PM, said:

Ah, you were first...

The original fragment [106/16]:

EN LTH HUSKE THR VPPA. HWNA MAN THA STRA BISJATH

"BISJATH" is "beschouwt" in Dutch, or "observes" in English.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:37 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 18 December 2011 - 01:57 PM, said:

From the OLB:

NOW I WILL WRITE MYSELF, FIRST ABOUT MY CITADEL, AND THEN ABOUT WHAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE.

My city lies near the north end of the Liudgaarde. The tower has six sides, and is ninety feet high, flat-roofed, with a small house upon it out of which they look at the stars
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All the other burghs are the same shape as ours, only not so large; but the largest of all is that of Texland. The tower of the Fryasburch is so high that it rends the sky, and all the rest is in proportion to the tower.

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They may have looked at the stars, but the air in Holland is mostly cloudy and not as bright as in Egypt. I think most knowledge here comes from Copernicus. s. http://nl.wikipedia....aas_Copernicus.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:38 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 18 December 2011 - 02:15 PM, said:

It's true that I don't know how that date of 2194 BC came into being, but let's say I am busy trying to find out.
I respect that and am interested.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:42 PM

I have found a lot about those Jupiter/Saturn conjunctions and what people once believed in the disasters they would bring, but then you need to have a lot of experience with this material to even understand what it is all about. And that, I think, would lead us too far away from the topic.

To give you all an 'impression' what *I* am on about:



Our earliest surviving account of the Persian astrological theories of world history was written down by the Persian Jew, Masha'allah (740 - 815). The theory of Jupiter-Saturn cycles and historical epochs was set out in his On Conjunctions, Religions and Peoples, and he related the astronomical pattern to socio-political and religious shifts which occurred every 240 years, and the periodic conflagrations or catastrophes, such as Noah’s flood, which were thought to take place every 960 years.

The logic was that, at this moment, a new cycle of time began, within which all possibilities for that cycle were contained. Masha'allah included the horoscopes for the spring equinoxes preceding the Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions prior to the great deluge (it was believed that the rains which caused the flood began at midnight precisely on 18 February 3101 BCE with a conjunction of planets in Pisces, appropriately the last of the water signs) and the births of both Christ and Mohammed.

http://www.zyntara.c...VAN Feb2011.htm

"Every 960 years"

Another 'candidate' would be, simply following the numbers given: 3101-960=2141 BC


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Edited by Abramelin, 18 December 2011 - 03:00 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:43 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 18 December 2011 - 02:19 PM, said:

I have also wondered why those (national) yellow flowers changed into red and looked like hearts.
Are there still old flags/emblems around with these flowers still being yellow?
Not the flowers are used, but the leaves.

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:45 PM

View PostKnul, on 18 December 2011 - 02:37 PM, said:

They may have looked at the stars, but the air in Holland is mostly cloudy and not as bright as in Egypt. I think most knowledge here comes from Copernicus. s. http://nl.wikipedia....aas_Copernicus.

That's no argument: we have observatories here in The Netherlands. I grew up near one: someone had built a tower with a dome at the side of his house. Small, true, but an observatory alright.

I will try to find a photo.


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Loevesteinlaan, The Hague:

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:50 PM

View PostOtharus, on 18 December 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

Not the flowers are used, but the leaves.

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LOL, yeah of course.

Well, then the question remains why and also when did they change the color from green to red? And why?


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:51 PM

This is Radboud with shield, by Pier Winsemius in "Chronique ofte Historische geschiedenisse van Vrieslant" (1662):

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 02:57 PM

Btw, if I find out how that date of 2194 BC came into being, it wouldn't prove or disprove anything.

It could be someone in the 19th century - but most probably some centuries earlier - came to that date by astrological calculations.

Or an earlier people - Europeans? People from Mesopotamia? Egyptians? The Jews? - had already calculated that date and others used it as a 'mythical starting date' for the beginning of a new era, combining it with ancient stories about disasters.

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Edited by Abramelin, 18 December 2011 - 03:02 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2011 - 03:02 PM

LOL
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 03:56 PM

First page of Die cronycke van Hollandt, Zeelandt ende Vrieslant, better known as Divisiekroniek (1519) by Cornelius Aurelius.

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Transcription by Karin Tilmans (source):

"Die Chronyk van Hollandt, Zeelandt
ende Vriesland, beghinnende van Adams
tyden, tot die geboerte ons Heren Jhesu,
voortgaende tot den jare M CCCCC ende
xvij. Met den rechten oerspronc, hoe Hollandt
eerst begrepen ende bewoent is gheweest van
den Troyanen
. Ende is inhoudende van die herto
gen van Beyeren, Henegouwen ende Bourgongen;
die tijt dat si an 't graefscap geweest hebben;
met die cronike der biscoppen van Uutrecht,
seer suverlic geëxtendeert ende in 't lange verhaelt."


Translation of underlined fragment:

"With the right origin, how Holland was first taken and inhabited by the Trojans"

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Posted 18 December 2011 - 03:59 PM

Many Europeans in the early middle ages claimed descendence of Jews, Greeks, Trojans and/or Egyptians: the Franks, the Saxons/Germans, the Scots, the English, and so on.

What the OLB did was was say "No", it's the other way round.