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#166    Agent. Mulder

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Posted 30 March 2010 - 04:00 PM

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paul, im telling you this as a friend....dont quit your day job.

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View Postsublimial, on 28 March 2010 - 09:21 PM, said:

PETER GORE SEER Any sort of out of body travel is dangerous, witches do not change shape.The evil they are involved with does all that.

Am I to assume that equates with the devil? Or demonic entities giving the power of illusion to said witches? Certain folklore equates the devil with shapeshifting, usually followed by evil acts on the shapeshifters part. However not all accounts of belief in shapeshifting follow this mold.


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Oh sooo Coorrnny, 'which' is why I laughed.  :lol: gotta love the corny jokes...

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 09:40 PM

Speaking of occultism, any of you listen to genres of metal rock: black metal, death metal or gothic? The band names as much their song lyrics may display and discuss a fascination with occult practices of satanism (i.e. the upside-down pentagram, vampiric girls and demons appear everywhere on the set) or sometimes, neo-pagan religious rites dedicated to pre-Christian European polytheism (esp. the Swedish and Norwegian kind). No matter how shocking the controversial material is to many people (esp. parental media watchdog groups and the religious right), the black/death metal bands are simply expressing themselves or I say are doing this just for kicks for entertainment purposes.

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 01:41 AM

View PostADMikey, on 01 April 2010 - 09:40 PM, said:

Speaking of occultism, any of you listen to genres of metal rock: black metal, death metal or gothic? The band names as much their song lyrics may display and discuss a fascination with occult practices of satanism (i.e. the upside-down pentagram, vampiric girls and demons appear everywhere on the set) or sometimes, neo-pagan religious rites dedicated to pre-Christian European polytheism (esp. the Swedish and Norwegian kind). No matter how shocking the controversial material is to many people (esp. parental media watchdog groups and the religious right), the black/death metal bands are simply expressing themselves or I say are doing this just for kicks for entertainment purposes.

Errr I do, a little off topic, but a good portion of these bands have a "gimmick" their satanic reference lyrics can even have a "metaphorical" meaning, spiced up with the dark apparel and Gothic/pagan art representations to set off the intensity of the gimmick. Sometimes certain bands do...I'll say "practice what they preach" but I've noticed there are a lot of posers out there anyway, like you said for the kicks lol. The real deal tend to be more often then not among the Underground scene. Some of it could be genuinely classed as unhealthy, but like with all music, one has to judge for themselves based on their own principals what is/isn't appropriate.

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 02:49 AM

View PostADMikey, on 01 April 2010 - 09:40 PM, said:

Speaking of occultism, any of you listen to genres of metal rock: black metal, death metal or gothic? The band names as much their song lyrics may display and discuss a fascination with occult practices of satanism (i.e. the upside-down pentagram, vampiric girls and demons appear everywhere on the set) or sometimes, neo-pagan religious rites dedicated to pre-Christian European polytheism (esp. the Swedish and Norwegian kind). No matter how shocking the controversial material is to many people (esp. parental media watchdog groups and the religious right), the black/death metal bands are simply expressing themselves or I say are doing this just for kicks for entertainment purposes.

You need only walk through a store that sells music CDs to see that there's an undercurrent of Satanism and the occult in the artwork.

This is also true of comic books to some extent.

I was in a Hot Topic store awhile ago and they were playing some music that sounded like something out of a Friday The 13th movie.  Listening to this all day could start to do things to the mind.

Music is the most powerful of the arts I think.

There comes a point where saying things becomes more than a gimmick, even if the only intent is to sell CDs and make money.  I have a feeling that for many of these people it is not a gimmick however.  

In this book I just finished it mentions a famous rock star somewhere in Connecticut that was involved in Satanic rituals somehow:

The Devil in Connecticut (Paperback)

They found where people had been performing weird rituals around fires, etc., on this guy's property where his mansion is although it doesn't say who the guy is.  Also the police had been attacked or something by people dressed in black robes and hoods.

This was a great book but it is now outside in the hallway here in my apartment building.  I feel like there's some sort of force field around this book and something is telling me to never bring it back inside again.

Marylin Manson states that 'God is dead.'  For him this is true, it's not just a gimmick.

Madonna appears on stage on a cross, mocks the Church, etc..  This is not just a gimmick.  It means something.

Jimmy Page lived in Aleister Crowley's house for awhile I heard.  Now there's a place that will surely have some negative energy.

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 08:25 AM

View PostJeff Marzano, on 02 April 2010 - 02:49 AM, said:

You need only walk through a store that sells music CDs to see that there's an undercurrent of Satanism and the occult in the artwork.

This is also true of comic books to some extent.

I was in a Hot Topic store awhile ago and they were playing some music that sounded like something out of a Friday The 13th movie.  Listening to this all day could start to do things to the mind.

Music is the most powerful of the arts I think.

There comes a point where saying things becomes more than a gimmick, even if the only intent is to sell CDs and make money.  I have a feeling that for many of these people it is not a gimmick however.  

In this book I just finished it mentions a famous rock star somewhere in Connecticut that was involved in Satanic rituals somehow:

The Devil in Connecticut (Paperback)

They found where people had been performing weird rituals around fires, etc., on this guy's property where his mansion is although it doesn't say who the guy is.  Also the police had been attacked or something by people dressed in black robes and hoods.

This was a great book but it is now outside in the hallway here in my apartment building.  I feel like there's some sort of force field around this book and something is telling me to never bring it back inside again.

Marylin Manson states that 'God is dead.'  For him this is true, it's not just a gimmick.

Madonna appears on stage on a cross, mocks the Church, etc..  This is not just a gimmick.  It means something.

Jimmy Page lived in Aleister Crowley's house for awhile I heard.  Now there's a place that will surely have some negative energy.



A few good points there, but if we're going to play with this ball all music has to come into play. One can't stop at metal/ rock as the fundamental base of unhealthy music. Plenty of various genres all have elements that will "effect" the mind after a while. I heard a mainstream pop song the other day on the radio and was disgusted with the constant loose sexual references. I know I a lot of people don't give two hoots about moral conduct (I wonder why) but I would not be impressed with having children listen to it, but it's right there on the mainstream radio.

I've heard of plenty of artists fully delving into the occult from all genres. I want bother with a list because there are many.

An artist may be into Satanic rituals secretly but sing country western music, he just does not wear that 'gimmick' but that does not mean he doesn't know how to inconspicuously entail his beliefs into the music. An artist with a gimmick doesn't necessarily have to be a faker (though I think there are a lot of them out there), but simply slapping the label on their backs to distinguish what type of music they are. Hence, the gimmick initially draws people in who would rather listen to that type of stuff.

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 01:17 PM

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The symbols and music and art depicting Satanic or occult images are on these products to sell them. It causes controversy and makes people want to buy it justto see what it's all about. It doesn't necessarily have to mean something, it just is. It exists in and of itself. Those symbols have been around for thousands of years. People use them to sell things. All the occult symbols in the world have not even a minute fraction of the power of this symbol: $





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