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The article is here: http://www.scientifi...in-conspiracies

My personal favourite bit:

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But as former Nixon aide G. Gordon Liddy once told me (and he should know!), the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can’t keep their mouths shut. Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off, and so many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the Men in Black couldn’t squelch the squealers from spilling the beans. So there’s a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved, the less likely it is true.

So what do you guys think about this?

[Bracket]

I simply agree with that. Anything big WOULD be found out. I mean, government officials can't even keep their affairs secret,and those happen between 2 people in a closed room.  

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Bracket, on 23 February 2011 - 01:03 AM, said:

I simply agree with that. Anything big WOULD be found out. I mean, government officials can't even keep their affairs secret,and those happen between 2 people in a closed room.  

Of course with the way conspiracy theorists are the whole nature of it would mean they could turn around and say "that's what they want you to think!"

[Habitat]

The promotion of conspiracy theories might well be a giant conspiracy, I mean "they" might want you to concentrate on the wacky stuff, like the moon hoax story, while the real conspiracies slip under the radar. No wonder those U.S. bills have got " In God We Trust " printed on them, or is that part of a conspiracy too ? Paranoia knows no bounds, trust me on that one.  

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Virus, on 23 February 2011 - 12:46 AM, said:

The article is here: http://www.scientifi...in-conspiracies

My personal favourite bit:


So what do you guys think about this?

I think that enormous government-backed ‘conspiracies’ such as Operation Gladio, Operation Northwoods and Operation Ajax amongst others went unrevealed for decades and this on its own squelches the paragraph you quoted.

The article references 9/11.

Explain why one person behind the false flag attack would speak out.

It doesn’t make sense.

The information that is provided by whistleblowers on the fringe of the operation is consistently disregarded by the media and public at large.

So sure, a large ‘conspiracy’ can’t exist to most peoples’ minds… until an official source confirms it.

[Darkwind]

I think there are a lot of people out there who have to much time on their hands.

[MstrMsn]

Habitat, on 23 February 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:

The promotion of conspiracy theories might well be a giant conspiracy, I mean "they" might want you to concentrate on the wacky stuff, like the moon hoax story, while the real conspiracies slip under the radar. No wonder those U.S. bills have got " In God We Trust " printed on them, or is that part of a conspiracy too ? Paranoia knows no bounds, trust me on that one.  

"In God We Trust" was put on our currency during the 1950s. This was during the cold war, to show that the "commies" were Godless heathens, and we had to be scared of them. No conspiracy, everything was right out in the open: ignorance and arrogance.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Habitat, on 23 February 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:

The promotion of conspiracy theories might well be a giant conspiracy, I mean "they" might want you to concentrate on the wacky stuff, like the moon hoax story, while the real conspiracies slip under the radar. No wonder those U.S. bills have got " In God We Trust " printed on them, or is that part of a conspiracy too ? Paranoia knows no bounds, trust me on that one.  

Indeed, I've often thought that, that some of the more outré ones might have been planted to discredit those who have a (very often entirely healthy) distrust of governments.  A prime example being (not wanting to derail this by starting any arguments about it, just as an example) 9/11, where people are put off from asking some of the questions that I think could quite legitimately be asked by some of the wackier fringe theories.

[Rafterman]

Q24, on 23 February 2011 - 01:47 AM, said:

I think that enormous government-backed ‘conspiracies’ such as Operation Gladio, Operation Northwoods and Operation Ajax amongst others went unrevealed for decades and this on its own squelches the paragraph you quoted.

The article references 9/11.

Explain why one person behind the false flag attack would speak out.

It doesn’t make sense.

The information that is provided by whistleblowers on the fringe of the operation is consistently disregarded by the media and public at large.

So sure, a large ‘conspiracy’ can’t exist to most peoples’ minds… until an official source confirms it.

There's a big difference between something being a secret vs something being a conspiracy and, frankly, comparing those operations you list above to something like 9/11 is apples and oranges.

Equating the deaths of 3,000+ Americans to paramilitary operations in Italy, a false flag operation that never went beyond proposal stage, and the US-led coup in Iran that returned the Shah to power that pretty much everyone knows about doesn't make sense at all.

Not to mention all three of those examples happened decades ago when we weren't all fame grubbing glory hounds.

[flyingswan]

Rafterman, on 23 February 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

...and the US-led coup in Iran that returned the Shah to power...

That was the conspiracy, but the conspiracy theory is that Mossadegh was a British agent and conspired in his own overthrow to thwart the clerics.
http://www.worldling...piracy_theories

[Corp]

As someone who works in a federal government I find a lot of conspiracy theories that are thrown around just foolish. I can't see how the government can kill thousands of people with a needlessly complex plan without anyone noticing when it takes them a damn month to get my desk set up properly.

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Rafterman, on 23 February 2011 - 03:59 PM, said:

There's a big difference between something being a secret vs something being a conspiracy and, frankly, comparing those operations you list above to something like 9/11 is apples and oranges.

Equating the deaths of 3,000+ Americans to paramilitary operations in Italy, a false flag operation that never went beyond proposal stage, and the US-led coup in Iran that returned the Shah to power that pretty much everyone knows about doesn't make sense at all.

Not to mention all three of those examples happened decades ago when we weren't all fame grubbing glory hounds.

I didn’t equate 9/11 to those other ‘conspiracies’ – at best there are a few comparisons that could be drawn.  I used the examples specifically to show that an operation can be elaborate, involve many people and still be quite true.

I then moved on to ask why anyone behind the 9/11 false flag attack would reveal the role they played… and I’ve never had a sensible answer to that.  Obviously they don’t plan for years, action the operation, get the results and then sit down for an interview with the media to tell everyone about it.

I pointed out that when information has been released by individuals on the periphery of the operation, for example, the fact that Silverstein was seeking to authorise a controlled demolition of WTC7 on the day, that the hijackers appeared to be receiving protection in the United States or that foreign and domestic government agents are implicated, etc etc etc, this is mostly ignored anyway.

I then concluded from the three separate issues above that ‘conspiracy theory’ only becomes ‘conspiracy fact’ for the… I’m going to say it… sheeple when an official source confirms it and/or, as you say, the event becomes so far removed from memory that it is no longer worth denying.

I hope that explains.

And what’s a ‘fame grubbing glory hound’ anyway?  

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Corp, on 23 February 2011 - 04:56 PM, said:

As someone who works in a federal government I find a lot of conspiracy theories that are thrown around just foolish. I can't see how the government can kill thousands of people with a needlessly complex plan without anyone noticing when it takes them a damn month to get my desk set up properly.

Yeah… because moving a desk is very much like a high-level covert op.

And I got called out for my comparison?

[Habitat]

Every time I get the bill from the dentist I am reminded that.....

" Every profession is a conspiracy against the laity "

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I think a lot of conspriracies are nonsense but I do believe in some of them