Rancidbearsgrease Posted August 30, 2004 #1 Share Posted August 30, 2004 (edited) I've heard that tobbaco kill's about 10,000 people per day!? Now I don't know about the statistics of auto wrecks but Im sure it's not 10,000 per day. But our government cares so much about us thats it's illegal to drive without wearing your seat belt because you ,might get hurt! They care so much I'm almost brought to tears. And dont get me wrong, I'm not big on the government getting into every aspect of our lives but it's the double standard crap that p***es me off. If your not going to outlaw the biggest killer of man next to heart disease and cancer ( Both are a direct result of smoking ) Then make every drug legal. But that will never happen because there is way to much money to be made in taxes and so on. Maybe we could convince the government to pass some laws that would make it illegal to add anything to tobbaco. Like nicotine, Amonia ( which increases the rate at wich the nicotine affects your brain ) how much easier would it be to quit smoking if the agent that makes it so addictive was taken out? But hell no!! we cant have every one quitting at once ya know. That makes no business sense! I know you could make an argument against me by saying something like ( They have nicotine free smokes avaliable ) But the whole point im trying to make is, if it's costing us billions a year to care for dying smokers and their insurance rates are higher and 10,000 die every day, then it's time to do someting about it. If they really care about us they would ban it completely. Edited August 30, 2004 by Rancidbearsgrease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2004 #2 Share Posted August 30, 2004 It'd be cool if they could ban it completely, but it definitely won't happen in our lifetime. Tabacco companies are pretty twisted, but funny enough they do a lot of good. They have a lot of money that they put into things like sports programs and the arts. And from what I know (an anyone can correct me if I'm wrong) it's more profitable for the government to keep the tobacco companies around. Cigarettes are very highly taxed, depending on where you live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panther10758 Posted August 30, 2004 #3 Share Posted August 30, 2004 You could do that but then you will have a situation like Prohibtion. Rather than deal with that and have criminals profit from this the wiser choice is make it more difficult to smoke many states bann smoking in public places adn taxes now on cigarettes is very high making it an expensive habit. Outlawing would only cause more problems no this is best dealt with the way it is until better solution comes along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted August 30, 2004 #4 Share Posted August 30, 2004 If I led any country, I'd make smoking illegal by the end of my term. Slowely, but surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2004 #5 Share Posted August 30, 2004 If I led any country, I'd make smoking illegal by the end of my term. Slowely, but surely. It's not that easy! There's a lot more than making something illegal. There are a LOT of strings attached with tobacco companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted August 30, 2004 #6 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I'd make McDonalds illegal too. That stuff is far worse for you than smoking. Why do you eat fast food? YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELF! But it's sooo gooood. I'm glad i quit smoking. But people see smoking as a right, just like gun ownership and speech. You'd have 10 million angry angry people, and that ain't good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelS Posted August 30, 2004 #7 Share Posted August 30, 2004 There are too many fingers dipping into the tabacco and cigarette industry- and not just in one particular country. Countries that export tobacco, or cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco would stand to lose not millions... but billions... so it's not very likely that smoking's going to happen anytime in the next 10 years. The only true way to phase out such things is educating people on the results of smoking, what goes into cigarettes. Don't bother trying to convince people to stop smoking- because there are few that can. You need to convince people NOT to start at all. Simply making it illegal- especially suddenly, won't solve it... it'll just go underground, and the black market will prosper. I myself enjoy sitting on my porch and smoking my pipe, or a cigar about 3 - 5 times a year, and that's it. Now if I can only kick my coffee addiction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted August 30, 2004 #8 Share Posted August 30, 2004 If I led any country, I'd make smoking illegal by the end of my term. Slowely, but surely. It's not that easy! There's a lot more than making something illegal. There are a LOT of strings attached with tobacco companies. I know. I'd make McDonalds illegal too. That stuff is far worse for you than smoking. Why do you eat fast food? YOU ARE KILLING YOURSELF! Lol... I dont eat fast food... maybe thats why I havent been sick in years! I'm glad i quit smoking. But people see smoking as a right, just like gun ownership and speech. You'd have 10 million angry angry people, and that ain't good. Does it really matter if you do it on your last term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticusBlueprint Posted August 30, 2004 #9 Share Posted August 30, 2004 This reminds me of a South Park episode( it's a good episode) where for the first time the rolls are reversed, they had the Anit-Smokers being the bad guys, and the Tobacco Companies as the good guys. It really was great and gave me a new perspective on smoking. The anti-smoking companys are portrayed as a bunch of ruthless liars willing to do anything to have control over other people. Some very great quotes.... "Sometimes lying is okay, like when you know what's good for people more than they do." (Rob Reiner leader of the anti-smoking group) "And if it gives me cancer when I'm 80 I don't care / who the hell wants to be 90 anyway?" - Smoking song "He just goes around imposing his will on people. He's my idol." (Cartman on Rob Reiner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted August 30, 2004 #10 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Did you also know that Ethanol (known better as simply "Alcohol"), is much more dangarous than grass, causing people to both physical and mental addiction, and can cause death in short term (from overdose) or in the long run (from alcoholism). Grass, on the other hand, isn't physically addictive, and there is no recorded case of death caused from overdose of marijuhana... , and there is no hangover (because it isn't a toxic). (On the other hand - it is not advisable to drive under the influence of grass ) NOTE: this post do not encourage in any case the consumption of grass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted August 30, 2004 #11 Share Posted August 30, 2004 To follow up, that's 100% true weed is completely safe when compared to Alcohol, so why is it that we are allowed to consume all the alcohol we want and aren't allowed weed? Why are we allowed things that harm us, such as booze, cigarettes, coffee, drugs, McDonalds, even more so why are these things craved by us? They're obviously bad and harmful for the body. Could it be that the body craves substances that destroy us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleIrishVampiress Posted August 30, 2004 #12 Share Posted August 30, 2004 oh no atticus... not that hippo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticusBlueprint Posted August 30, 2004 #13 Share Posted August 30, 2004 (edited) Why are we allowed things that harm us, such as booze, cigarettes, coffee, drugs, McDonalds, even more so why are these things craved by us? They're obviously bad and harmful for the body. You are allowed to have these things , if in the right proportions, and if you stay active or work out, you eat McDonalds once in awhile or drink on a saturday, it isn't gonna affect you that much. It's when people get lazy and just sit at home and eat McDonalds or sit at home and drink then it becomes a problem. oh no atticus... not that hippo... What about the hippo?lol Edited August 30, 2004 by AtticusBlueprint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted August 30, 2004 #14 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Why are we allowed things that harm us, such as booze, cigarettes, coffee, drugs, McDonalds, even more so why are these things craved by us? They're obviously bad and harmful for the body. You are allowed to have these things , if in the right proportions, and if you stay active or work out, you eat McDonalds once in awhile or drink on a saturday, it isn't gonna affect you that much. It's when people get lazy and just sit at home and eat McDonalds or sit at home and drink then it becomes a problem. The simple fact is though that that it can and does harm people, and nothing is being done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleIrishVampiress Posted August 30, 2004 #15 Share Posted August 30, 2004 where did you get it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticusBlueprint Posted August 30, 2004 #16 Share Posted August 30, 2004 (edited) The simple fact is though that that it can and does harm people, and nothing is being done about it. Well it's up to the people to decide if there gonna eat McDonalds or not, or have a drink of booze or not. If you look hard just about anything can harm somebody, it should be the responsibility of the people whether there gonna do this stuff or not where did you get it..? this one website, why? Edited August 30, 2004 by AtticusBlueprint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleIrishVampiress Posted August 30, 2004 #17 Share Posted August 30, 2004 thats the dreadful hippo for this ringtone company....he does some really scary dancing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticusBlueprint Posted August 30, 2004 #18 Share Posted August 30, 2004 thats the dreadful hippo for this ringtone company....he does some really scary dancing.. It's not scary, it's hott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelS Posted August 30, 2004 #19 Share Posted August 30, 2004 You haven't seen my dancing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted August 30, 2004 #20 Share Posted August 30, 2004 The simple fact is though that that it can and does harm people, and nothing is being done about it. Well it's up to the people to decide if there gonna eat McDonalds or not, or have a drink of booze or not. If you look hard just about anything can harm somebody, it should be the responsibility of the people whether there gonna do this stuff or not And as such, should it not be the persons decision if they want to smoke or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtticusBlueprint Posted August 30, 2004 #21 Share Posted August 30, 2004 And as such, should it not be the persons decision if they want to smoke or not? Yes, it should be your choice if you want to smoke or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthygirl04 Posted August 30, 2004 #22 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Now this is a topic that could really cause an argument between smokers and non smokers! Although I use to smoke somewhere around 7 years ago, I no longer do. I had to quit, not because I wanted to, but because my lungs became weak, and burned. I had alot of trouble breathing. Couldn't seem to get enough air at times. So after I quit, I felt better, slowly but surely. Now that I am older and although I don't smoke, I have been diagnoised with sensitive lungs. Hairspray, strong perfume/cologne, cigarette smoke, makes me unable to breathe right. It's like someone has something over my face, and I begin coughing, but I am unable to get the air I need to even do that right. I land up choking half to death! This is partually because of my smoking in my earlier years and partually because of when I was younger, which I won't go into because it's a long story. My point is, my husband smokes, and although he knows my lung problems, he's unable to quit. He's addicted. He has at times tried to quit, but it fails. Then he gets mad if anyone says anything about him quiting. I believe tobacco should be banned, but I also believe that it would cause a major problem all around the world. People would be going thru tobacco withdraw, which wouldn't make for a very friendly nieghborhood!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2004 #23 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Earthy, it sounds like you have asthma! I was recently diagnosed with it in April, and that's exactly how it feels (the feeling that someone is holding something over your face.) People with asthma are also sensitive to cold air, and allergens like perfume and cologne. If your husband smokes, I hope he doesn't do it in the house around you. That's even worse for your health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnSide Posted August 30, 2004 #24 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I quit smoking for this lovely lady ^ with her because she had asthma. We have both never felt better. If i hadn't quit she would be in horrible health now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Posted August 30, 2004 #25 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Did you also know that Ethanol (known better as simply "Alcohol"), is much more dangarous than grass, causing people to both physical and mental addiction, and can cause death in short term (from overdose) or in the long run (from alcoholism). Grass, on the other hand, isn't physically addictive, and there is no recorded case of death caused from overdose of marijuhana... , and there is no hangover (because it isn't a toxic). (On the other hand - it is not advisable to drive under the influence of grass ) NOTE: this post do not encourage in any case the consumption of grass Yes but it isnt that dangerous at the levels of alcohol in beer and such, is it? Marijuana damages your brain too, doesnt it? One thing it most notably affects is memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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