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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:33 AM

Just glad the Gillard fiasco is finally over..

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 05:56 PM

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How exactly come passing 520 pieces of legislation in a minority government in just three year be construed as incompetent?  At least give credit where it's due even if you don't agree with labor policies managing a country with the balance of power being held by independents is no small feat.
I'm not denying what she has done. But no matter what, whatever good she manages cannot compensate for all the problems her government brought down on us. Sure, not all is her point, she has to bow to her own party, as well as the Greens who got her there, as well as the Independents who gave her the minority.

But at the end of the day, she was the leader of our country, and she presided over many failures that threaten to destroy our future (eg, carbon tax, or mining tax - still not sure which is worse).

I'm not necessarily for or against any political party. If Howard was still PM I'd vote for him. But he's not. But it doesn't really matter, I live in one of the safest Labor seats in , so no matter who I vote for, Labor will win in my electorate, and thus my vote matters absolutely nothing. Several years ago, instead of ticking boxes, I wrote pretty much that same point in large letters. My vote would only count if I lived in a marginal seat. Chances are I'll vote an Independent this year, not sure who yet.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 08:18 PM

I'm afraid I don't like kevin Rudd. This is nothing to do with his abilities as a Politician (which, like most Politicians, are probably negligible), or his policies or his attitudes towards anything, because I don't really know much about any of those things, but just because of my new policy of approving of politicians if i like their name. (See Eric Pickles.) And I'm afraid he sounds like a fish.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:30 PM

View PostIrrelevant, on 29 June 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

"There's no U in Labor"

Somebody could launch a campaign just on that..it's better than "stop the boats."
In fact, there's no "U" in any of the parties other the Katter Australia Party or the Palmer United Party.
Liberal/National Coalition? Democrats? Greens? Socialist Alliance? Family First? One Nation?

Obviously "U" are not a part of the process!

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 02:40 AM

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But at the end of the day, she was the leader of our country, and she presided over many failures that threaten to destroy our future (eg, carbon tax, or mining tax - still not sure which is worse).
I don't have a problem with either.  Mining Tax most especially - the mineral resources of Australia belong to the Australian People, why should they be mined and exported for a profit by private corporations with no recompense to the people they have been taken from?

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:00 AM

Pardon my ignorance about Australian politics, but is it considered that there's any discernible difference between the parties and their various candidates? is there any feeling among the community as a whole that any new candidate might provide Hope, and Change, and similar concepts? I believe voting is compulsory, is it not, so is there a feeling that who you vote for is likely to make a difference?

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:34 AM

there is difference, one party is socialist and loves to borrow and spend money, often on things that don't matter, or in extremely reckless ways..then goes for tax grabs to try keep things in check that raises the cost of living...


the other likes to cut spending, save money for the future ( eg: future fund) but some services suffer as result..they do this because when there elected they fix up the mistakes of the former party.. when people get sick of living within there means they vote for the other and the process starts again..lol

yes its a see saw..


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:45 AM

That is something I notice about multi- or two- party systems -- although most people consistently vote for the same party -- there are just enough fickle voters who seem to tire of one style of government after a while that you have this unceasing swing where they take turns in office undoing the work of their predecessors.  One wonders that anything lasting ever gets done.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:48 AM

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I don't have a problem with either.  Mining Tax most especially - the mineral resources of Australia belong to the Australian People, why should they be mined and exported for a profit by private corporations with no recompense to the people they have been taken from?
Why?  Maybe a better claim could be made by the particular state or even local community than by the nation as a whole?

It seems to me unreasonable that one nation should prosper just because they happened to get lucky and have resources on their land  These resources should belong to all of mankind.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 08:07 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 June 2013 - 07:45 AM, said:

That is something I notice about multi- or two- party systems -- although most people consistently vote for the same party -- there are just enough fickle voters who seem to tire of one style of government after a while that you have this unceasing swing where they take turns in office undoing the work of their predecessors. One wonders that anything lasting ever gets done.
yes, that's exactly the flaw with "democracy". The only exception is in American politics, where a President in his second term knows that he's not going to stand again, so he can do whatever he likes (e.g. Obama supporting terrorists), knowing that whoever follows him will have to pick up the mess. Really, elections are a complete fraud.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 08:11 AM

Is the situation really different in the States?  The two-term limit, it seems to me, only serves to remove a second-term President's power to do things, as his enemies need only sit on their hands until his term is up.  He doesn't have the potential of out-waiting them.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 09:04 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 June 2013 - 08:11 AM, said:

Is the situation really different in the States?  The two-term limit, it seems to me, only serves to remove a second-term President's power to do things, as his enemies need only sit on their hands until his term is up.  He doesn't have the potential of out-waiting them.
oh, indeed, it's hopeless for getting anything constructive done, I think, such as long-term plans, since the next Government that comes in will inevitably just cancel anything the previous one had initiated, just out of sheer spite. That's why there's the temptation for the pres. in office, knowing that has nothing to lose, to do something, such as supporting tyrants or extremists, just to sabotage things for his successor.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 09:08 AM



It's called pork barreling and its ripe for public corruption..

Pork barrelling is where the govt use there power with the unions and companys, basically the govt awards contracts, these contracts run waaaay over budget ( aka: broadband cost Australia 40 billion , school halls etc..where it could have been done for 20 billion) the contracts are awarded to there favourite unions and company's , who in turn make political donations back.

This allows mass advertising and sway with the media to keep that party in power, by manipulation of public opinion and media.

Everybody is in it for themselves..

Then to pay for the legal abuse of funds , Govt raise tax's on whoever and whatever they can to keep the books balanced, this increases inflation ( instead of putting downward pressure on inflation) and raises the cost of living..

In worse case senerios public assets are privatised and the public looses control of vital services or the ability to fix prices to a reasonable limit eg: public transport systems such as roads, trains, airports, wharves , and Forrest parks that are now also under the hammer...when this happens foreign investment takes control of the country, in the end the govt is reduced in its capacity and the people become slaves to profit seeking big business and there Govt.

Yep it's ****! And that's what happened in Queensland , sold everything!! its why the Fedral govt also want to tax the  mines! Tax the air ( brilliant isnt it, a fresh air tax!! ) why they try find ways to spend money on anything they can find ( to be returned to them in many secretive ways) why they come up with new hair brain tax systems ( ambulance levey, road improvment tax, congestion tax, tax on top of tax for petrol, the list is endless!) anything to add to the purse of the govt because once everything is sold its only income Tax..the old  revenue for public service is going OS, things like electricity and train trips skyrocket..

Life gets harder and harder.

People  pay more for everything, and then people  taxed at increasingly higher rates to help balance budgets, or we loan money to keep paying for crap like what happened in Greece..socialist are dangerous.

Single Party Govt like in communism is worse btw! Extream Socialism, total  corruption and no way to remove them..






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Posted 30 June 2013 - 09:21 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 30 June 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Why?  Maybe a better claim could be made by the particular state or even local community than by the nation as a whole?

It seems to me unreasonable that one nation should prosper just because they happened to get lucky and have resources on their land  These resources should belong to all of mankind.
Oh? Tell it to the Middle East with their oil wealth just for starters but more importantly:

Is the whole world contributing to all the public works and access to these minerals or paying for the management of the environment here and the various eco-systems? It's called a national resource for a reason, the expense is always the tax payers and so should the benefits be.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 09:37 AM

In some ways I agree with libstaK, the private companies are ripping the wealth out of the public, but there putting it back via tax and jobs, and now they want to bring in foreign workers.. If Australia wasn't so dependent on them with its two speed economy I'd be all for taxing them to the hilt! But if industry suffers there's no fall back because all the other industries have been destroyed..so Australia needs them now, its all they got left





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