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#16    LucidElement

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 04:27 AM

i enjoy his books. He brings a lot of research to light but of course twists in his theories. But, I was at the vatican last summer and didnt really know about the map of hell at the time. I tried researching on the internet where it was and came up blank. So, where is it at???

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 04:53 AM

It's held in the Bibliotheca Apostolica Vaticana -- since this isn't a museum, it may not be on public display, and a reader's card, I believe, is not available to undergraduates.

You may be able to find it available on their website at higher resolution: http://www.vatlib.it...ng&res=1366x768

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 05:05 AM

View PostLucidElement, on 30 May 2013 - 04:27 AM, said:

i enjoy his books. He brings a lot of research to light but of course twists in his theories. But, I was at the vatican last summer and didnt really know about the map of hell at the time. I tried researching on the internet where it was and came up blank. So, where is it at???

He researches on his work, yes. But he tries a tad too hard to turn it into a fast paced thriller. The twists that he writes are too cliche.

And as for the map of hell ;its in the Vatican archives, you can't access it unless you're an academic researcher and the map revolves around your subject of research. Or you're an university student writing a thesis or a dissertation on that subject, you'd need an undertaking on your university's letterhead signed by your professor and stuff for that.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 10:05 PM

Atlantis-Newsletter 58: Atlantis in Dante's Inferno?!

http://www.atlantis-...wsl_archive.htm

Dante talks of submerging continents ... the fall of Phaeton? ... "king" Atlas?

This is interesting!

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:48 AM

View PostProclus, on 13 June 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

Atlantis-Newsletter 58: Atlantis in Dante's Inferno?!

http://www.atlantis-...wsl_archive.htm

Dante talks of submerging continents ... the fall of Phaeton? ... "king" Atlas?

This is interesting!

In Dante's Divine Comedy there are numerous ring structures in hell, purgatory and heaven. Yet these ideas have clearly other sources than Plato's Atlantis account. Nothing fits: The number of circles, their order, their function, etc. Only by force one could see a correspondance, here.

This is valid, too, for the three rivers in hell (Acheron, Styx, Phlegeton) and the hell's city Dis which in no way can be linked with the three water circles of the Atlantis city center. It would be purely arbitrary. There is by the way a fourth river in Dante's Inferno, the Cocytus.


http://www.atlantis-..._dante_engl.htm

Post #719, Doggerland thread:
http://www.unexplain...05#entry4007449

And I have mentioned "ring structures" many times in that thread about a submerged area many (not me) think was the original Atlantis, or may have inspired Plato to make up a story about it (and that's what I think is somewhat possible - oral tradition).


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 02:51 PM

It would be interesting to see a map of Dante's hell.  Especially since he went into such detail about the specifics of the circles.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 03:13 PM

View Postconspiracy buff, on 17 June 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

It would be interesting to see a map of Dante's hell.  Especially since he went into such detail about the specifics of the circles.

Here's one you can zoom into:

http://www.worldofda...lli_detail.html


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 04:09 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 17 June 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

Here's one you can zoom into:

http://www.worldofda...lli_detail.html

Thanks for the link!  I had never seen that in all the Dante material, so that is definitely cool to see.  Or should I say hot?  :D

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:08 PM

View Postconspiracy buff, on 17 June 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

Thanks for the link!  I had never seen that in all the Dante material, so that is definitely cool to see.  Or should I say hot?  :D

I would prefer this map, here:

http://3.bp.blogspot...0/dantesInferno

And ... this map shows in small the globe which is the basis for the "Atlantis-in-Dante?" article, here:
http://www.atlantis-...wsl_archive.htm

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:17 PM

He wanted to see the original, not an interpretation of it.

And why do you keep posting that link? It's YOU who owns that website, right?


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:36 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 17 June 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

He wanted to see the original, not an interpretation of it.

And why do you keep posting that link? It's YOU who owns that website, right?

You surely realized that there is no "original", the "original" is the *text*, not any map.
Each and every map is an interpretation.
And since this is not a Dante poetry forum but a "Ancient Mysteries & Alternative History" forum. Atlantis is fully fitting, here.
Especially, when I add value to the discussion concerning Dante's Aristotelian views which highly influenced his depictions.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:56 PM

View PostProclus, on 17 June 2013 - 08:36 PM, said:

You surely realized that there is no "original", the "original" is the *text*, not any map.
Each and every map is an interpretation.
And since this is not a Dante poetry forum but a "Ancient Mysteries & Alternative History" forum. Atlantis is fully fitting, here.
Especially, when I add value to the discussion concerning Dante's Aristotelian views which highly influenced his depictions.

This was  the question:

"Where is the original map of hell Painted by Botticelli , recounting Dantes Inferno ?"



You didn't add anything of value, you just posted the link to your website again.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:14 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 17 June 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

This was  the question:
"Where is the original map of hell Painted by Botticelli , recounting Dantes Inferno ?"
You didn't add anything of value, you just posted the link to your website again.

You are right, this was the initial question.
But this question is wrong, there is no "original" map.
Also Botticellis map is *not* original.

So I dared to suggest an *other* map. Just an other map.
Am I now damned to Dante's hell because of this? Which circle is reserved for me?

And I dared to add value concerning the topic of this forum. Atlantis. Aristotle. Another map.
Dante's Inferno alone is not fitting to this forum but only "Ancient Mysteries & Alternative History".

PS: Ah the bad Web link: http://www.atlantis-...wsl_archive.htm
(It is the one which adds the value)

Edited by Proclus, 17 June 2013 - 09:16 PM.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:33 PM

Looks like this is turning into one hell of a topic, literally :yes:

Thanks for those links though, because it is interesting to see artist depiction and interpretation of Dante's work. :tsu:

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 12:25 AM

I think I saw it once in the bottom of an empty bottle of cheap wine.

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