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[nephilim12]

is it true the Vatican issued a statement acknowledging the fact that life is present elsewhere, while also asserting this doesn't affect our faith.
I'm looking into this.
If it's true, then certainly they are privy to some startling information which is at best announced in a very veiled manner, but that only the blind and dumb would not take seriously.
Will get back.
Anything guys ?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Sean Creaney, on 22 May 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

The news of Alien life wouldnt be surprising to christians . " I have other sheep who are not of this flock "  ,  "There are many rooms in my fathers kingdom , I am going to prepare one for you "  . " I am the bright morning star , I will give you the bright morning star "
If the Earth were a Sun , together with our Sun , is there a Planet that would be lit by them constantly .

In the beginning, don't forget, God created the heavens and the Earth. Even if the Chosen People really are the Chosen People, that doesn't mean that has to be in relation to the whole universe. One planet would be quite enough for all practical purposes. So i don't really think there need be any problems at all from a biblical point of view.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

nephilim12, on 23 May 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

is it true the Vatican issued a statement acknowledging the fact that life is present elsewhere, while also asserting this doesn't affect our faith.
I'm looking into this.
If it's true, then certainly they are privy to some startling information which is at best announced in a very veiled manner, but that only the blind and dumb would not take seriously.
Will get back.
Anything guys ?

I think they put it in hypothetical terms: "if there was life elsewhere".

[psyche101]

chainsawcam, on 22 May 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

They wouldn't be allowed to tell the sheeple!

Some people still use the word Sheeple?

[bison]

badeskov, on 23 May 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

It is denoted as having unknown origin. There was not enough time to eliminate/verify terrestrial origins, so we simply do not know - unfortunately.

Cheers,
Badeskov

I had a reply from Dr. Robert Dixon, Director of the Ohio State University SETI program, to an inquiry I made about the 'wow signal', in 1996. I quote from his reply:  " The shape of the curve (was) traced out by the intensity as it drifted thru our antenna pattern. It fits the curve perfectly, indicating it is not in the near field of the antenna. If it were an Earth satellite, it would have to be at least at lunar distance to appear fixed in the sky."
***** Satellites at lunar distance are few in number, and were fewer still in 1978, when the 'wow signal' was received. A satellite at such a distance would not be practical as a surveillance platform, subject to secrecy, so any satellite at this distance would presumably be known to the scientific community. No known satellite could be determined to be the source of the 'wow signal'.

[psyche101]

I think if it were announced tomorrow that SETI had real honest to goodness proof of alien life that many people would go TOLD YOU SO, many people would get some renweed energy to "dig that old story out" Roswell would probably have the biggest revival in history and plastic alien masks would sell well. Possibly a Betty and Barney Hill movie will get produced by Hollywood.

People would go to work, kids would go to school, banks would still collect mortgages, people will go shopping, cook, eat and sleep. Machines will still need to be turned on money will still need to be made, lives will need saving cars will need fuel people will need things fixed, some people will go fishing. It would be a very fascinating moment in the day of a great many people whilst we continue doing what has to be done. I expect dinner tables may be buzzing with conversation a little more than usual that night.

People do not think the world would stop or go crazy for real surely. We already have all the crazy people this planet can handle I think.

[psyche101]

bison, on 23 May 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

I had a reply from Dr. Robert Dixon, Director of the Ohio State University SETI program, to an inquiry I made about the 'wow signal', in 1996. I quote from his reply:  " The shape of the curve (was) traced out by the intensity as it drifted thru our antenna pattern. It fits the curve perfectly, indicating it is not in the near field of the antenna. If it were an Earth satellite, it would have to be at least at lunar distance to appear fixed in the sky."
***** Satellites at lunar distance are few in number, and were fewer still in 1978, when the 'wow signal' was received. A satellite at such a distance would not be practical as a surveillance platform, subject to secrecy, so any satellite at this distance would presumably be known to the scientific community. No known satellite could be determined to be the source of the 'wow signal'.

Ehman has also considers the likelihood that this might be from another planet - LINK

Personally I try to keep up with any developments with the WOW! signal, it is not too hard to be honest, pretty slow going between informational releases there.

However, one should keep in mind that the LGM-1 signal (and CTA-102 signal) had a lesson to be learned with regards to a premature conclusion.

[bison]

psyche101, on 24 May 2012 - 03:04 AM, said:

Ehman has also considers the likelihood that this might be from another planet - LINK

Personally I try to keep up with any developments with the WOW! signal, it is not too hard to be honest, pretty slow going between informational releases there.

However, one should keep in mind that the LGM-1 signal (and CTA-102 signal) had a lesson to be learned with regards to a premature conclusion.

There were no premature scientific conclusions, as far as I am aware, concerning PSR B1919+21 (LGM-1), the first pulsar discovered, or CTA-102, one of the first quasars known. It was *suggested* that these *could* be extraterrestrial signals, which was perfectly true, based on what was known of them, early on. The TASS news agency made a too positive announcement that the latter source was a beacon of an extraterrestrial civilization, but this was not science, merely careless journalism, something that troubles this field, even today, regardless of the country involved.
*****All due honor to Dr. Jerry Ehman for having discovered the 'wow signal', but his idea that one of our own signals was reflected from a planet in our solar system seems very unlikely. None of the planets was at or near the coordinates at which the radio telescope was aimed at the time the signal was detected. The signal was quite strong (60 Janskys; the Sun, as a comparison has a typical flux density of 105 Janskys) This was 30 sigma above background noise. The planets are inefficient reflectors of radio waves.

Edited by bison, 24 May 2012 - 02:45 PM.