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What did Edgar Rice Burroughs know?


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#31    quillius

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:17 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 April 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

A "true believer" is someone who will never not believe.  Personally I don't believe in belief.  I think the most we should allow ourselves are opinions -- some of which we can hold strongly but most of the sort around here just as working theories.

hmmm, not too sure I have seen many of those then....people who will believe anything and everything???

as for your comment ''Personally I don't believe in belief'' ....priceless, assuming it was sarcasm?

I do agree that we should all allow ourselves opinions...maybe the word opinion is better than the word belief...


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:25 AM

View PostMasterFlint, on 17 April 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Listen man....  when a 5000 year old book says someone/something went to mars and built an image of his face on mars....and then a face on mars is found!  Something, some form of intelligent life was there at some point in time...

That book doesn't exist. just like that face doesn't exist.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:26 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 April 2013 - 10:12 AM, said:

That won't stop him or others who want to believe.

Im not posting for the credulous believer that already made their mind up and are now only looking for the stuff that supports their preconceived notion.

Im posting for the silent readers and people still on the fence.

Edited by Hazzard, 17 April 2013 - 10:26 AM.

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:49 AM

I'll admit a lot of the time Hoagland speaks without thinking...   But a lot of his research into the legit pics of mars and the moon is very compelling and im pretty convinced that his stuff on Cydonia is the real deal.  As well as the high strangeness with Phobo's.   The  tétraèdre geometry thing alone proves his research has merit.  Math don't lie!  Every human being can come up with wild and varied ideas and theories about things that can be dead wrong, but when it comes to Cydonia Hoagland is on the money.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 10:56 AM

View PostMasterFlint, on 17 April 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

I'll admit a lot of the time Hoagland speaks without thinking...   But a lot of his research into the legit pics of mars and the moon is very compelling and im pretty convinced that his stuff on Cydonia is the real deal.  As well as the high strangeness with Phobo's.   The  tétraèdre geometry thing alone proves his research has merit.  Math don't lie!  Every human being can come up with wild and varied ideas and theories about things that can be dead wrong, but when it comes to Cydonia Hoagland is on the money.

Did you even click on the link I posted on the previous page?!

This "hyperdimensional physics" rests solely on the relationships he sees in the "City". As you'll see, his claims that these relationships are special are totally bogus.

http://www.badastron...gland/city.html

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:09 AM

I think Mr. Hoagland probably read Burrough's books as a kid and his fantasy notions about Mars were a result of it. Stuff that infuences us as children has a way of getting into our subconscious...most people develop the ability to discern between fantasy and reality...others don't. I'm pretty sure I know which catagory Mr. Hoagland is in.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

View PostHazzard, on 17 April 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

There are perfectly normal explanations to all these "strange", unexplained and artificial objects on Mars and its moons, including the Face on Mars, pyramids and other anomalies.


Richard Hoagland's Nonsense.

http://www.badastron...d/misc/hoagland

http://www.badastron...gland/city.html

His claims are grossly wrong, and generally easy to show as such. His analysis is flawed, his conclusions faulty, and his claims of conspiracy unfounded and unsupported.
Maybe so, but it's fun, though, you must admit.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:01 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 17 April 2013 - 11:23 AM, said:

Maybe so, but it's fun, though, you must admit.
Actually, no, it is not fun.  It is anti-science and discredits genuine science.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:09 PM

View Postquillius, on 17 April 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

hmmm, not too sure I have seen many of those then....people who will believe anything and everything???

as for your comment ''Personally I don't believe in belief'' ....priceless, assuming it was sarcasm?

I do agree that we should all allow ourselves opinions...maybe the word opinion is better than the word belief...
Of course I was being sarcastic, although I just thought I was being clever with my words.  It is better to say, "I think," or, "In my opinion," than, "I believe."

A distinction can be made between opinions and beliefs that is more than just degree of certainty.  Beliefs tend to be things we've been indoctrinated with through emotional propaganda, often as children in a religion, while opinions tend to be views we develop out of education and experience.  Further, often we are not really aware of beliefs; we believe them as part of the furniture, applying them subconsciously, and experiencing an emotional reaction rather than an intellectual reaction when they come into doubt (often anger, sometimes astonishment or fear or even ridicule).

One other thing: believers are quite capable of committing pious fraud (inventing evidence, suppressing data, etc.) because the belief is more important to their psyche than is truth.

Edited by Frank Merton, 17 April 2013 - 01:10 PM.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:16 PM

View PostMasterFlint, on 17 April 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

I'll admit a lot of the time Hoagland speaks without thinking...   But a lot of his research into the legit pics of mars and the moon is very compelling and im pretty convinced that his stuff on Cydonia is the real deal.  As well as the high strangeness with Phobo's.   The  tétraèdre geometry thing alone proves his research has merit.  Math don't lie!  Every human being can come up with wild and varied ideas and theories about things that can be dead wrong, but when it comes to Cydonia Hoagland is on the money.

Well then why didn't NASA land Curiosity or any of its other rovers in that area?

In the current fiscal situation, NASA would like nothing better than to prove that cities and man-made structures exist on Mars.  Trust me on that one.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:16 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 April 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Actually, no, it is not fun. It is anti-science and discredits genuine science.
sometimes Science does seem very much like a religion, or at least very insecure, if it cannot tolerate any "unscientific" thinking that might lure gullible people away from the path of Truth.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:48 PM

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in some ways ... 'science' is almost religion



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:58 PM

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:59 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 17 April 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

Of course I was being sarcastic, although I just thought I was being clever with my words.  It is better to say, "I think," or, "In my opinion," than, "I believe."

A distinction can be made between opinions and beliefs that is more than just degree of certainty.  Beliefs tend to be things we've been indoctrinated with through emotional propaganda, often as children in a religion, while opinions tend to be views we develop out of education and experience.  Further, often we are not really aware of beliefs; we believe them as part of the furniture, applying them subconsciously, and experiencing an emotional reaction rather than an intellectual reaction when they come into doubt (often anger, sometimes astonishment or fear or even ridicule).

One other thing: believers are quite capable of committing pious fraud (inventing evidence, suppressing data, etc.) because the belief is more important to their psyche than is truth.

nice post...I agree, I dont think I will refer to myself as a believer anymore, just someone with an opinion :)

as for Pious Fraud.......this without doubt swings both ways


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:08 PM

View PostMasterFlint, on 17 April 2013 - 05:44 AM, said:

  Ever heard of Phobos?!?!  The moon of mars that is misshapen and is the ONLY moon anyone knows about that isn't a sphere,

Incorrect. Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune all have several moons which are non-spherical or only roughly so.

http://www.funtrivia...tion120806.html

Not to mention a number of asteroids and trans-Neptunian objects,  which are much larger than Phobus. You even missed the fact that it's companion Deimos is also largely non-spherical.

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