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[AsteroidX]

Im not paranoid. Just come try to bust down my door and well see whos scared and paranoid.

[Stellar]

AsteroidX, on 09 January 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

Im not paranoid. Just come try to bust down my door and well see whos scared and paranoid.

And people wonder why the world thinks Americans have a sick obsession guns...

Ironically enough, I don't even see this type of obsession when it comes to third world countries full of war lords. In the rest of the world, guns are seen as a tool for killing, which they are. In America, they seem to be seen as a toy to play revolutionary with. Complete with accessories and customizable with pink handguards.

As much as people claim its for self defense, I feel that that is a minor reason when contrasted to the main one: guns are cool.

[joc]

Stellar, on 09 January 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

And people wonder why the world thinks Americans have a sick obsession guns...

Ironically enough, I don't even see this type of obsession when it comes to third world countries full of war lords. In the rest of the world, guns are seen as a tool for killing, which they are. In America, they seem to be seen as a toy to play revolutionary with. Complete with accessories and customizable with pink handguards.

As much as people claim its for self defense, I feel that that is a minor reason when contrasted to the main one: guns are cool.

Guns are cool.  And all of these people who say...you'll have to pry them from my cold, dead hands...not so much.  When push comes to shove the vast majority will register their guns and think it is a good idea.  And if the government banns certain guns...the vast majority will turn them over and think it is  a good thing...because the vast majority of Americans are Proles.

[Rafterman]

ninjadude, on 09 January 2013 - 04:14 AM, said:

Lady parts don't kill people.

And using the most recent estimates on firearms ownership in the US vs deaths by firearms, 99.978 percent of guns don't kill people either.

And yeah, lady parts do kill people.

And the point is still valid.  If folks want to have a serious discussion about firearms usage and reducing the level of violent crime in the US, then educate yourself and know what you're talking about.  For example, all of this talk about so-called "assault weapons" - the damned things are hardly ever used to kill anyone.  So why so much focus on them other than they look scary to the uninformed and make good political hay.

Edited by Rafterman, 09 January 2013 - 02:53 PM.

[joc]

Rafterman, on 09 January 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

And using the most recent estimates on firearms ownership in the US vs deaths by firearms, 99.978 percent of guns don't kill people either.

And yeah, lady parts do kill people.

And the point is still valid.  If folks want to have a serious discussion about firearms usage and reducing the level of violent crime in the US, then educate yourself and know what you're talking about.  For example, all of this talk about so-called "assault weapons" - the damned things are hardly ever used to kill anyone.  So why so much focus on them other than they look scary to the uninformed and make good political hay.

For the same reasons I suppose that no one seems to give  a damn about the 1000+ people who are killed in car crashes everyday in America.  But have ONE airliner carrying 245 people go down and it's: omg...what can we do about this?!

Edited by joc, 09 January 2013 - 07:24 PM.

[Gummug]

Sorry for posting rather gross images, but this is one of the (many) reasons I believe in gun ownership. I realize that if they had been armed, it might not have meant they would have avoided death, but which is better, to put up a fight, or to submit meekly to being turned into soap or worse? I realize too that gun confiscation doesn't necessarily mean genocide will follow, but my thinking is, once private gun ownership is illegal, there is nothing to STOP genocide (short of fighting with knives and sticks and what-not).
http://fcit.usf.edu/...lery2/66297.htm
That made me wonder how many Jews did survive and I found this:
http://answers.yahoo...19072615AAgknCw
Sometimes I think it would be nice to have American Indian ancestry then I would know how to make a bow and arrow from scratch, although I suppose I could still learn how, I wouldn't think it would be too difficult.

[Yamato]

Gummug, on 10 January 2013 - 04:02 AM, said:

Sorry for posting rather gross images, but this is one of the (many) reasons I believe in gun ownership. I realize that if they had been armed, it might not have meant they would have avoided death, but which is better, to put up a fight, or to submit meekly to being turned into soap or worse? I realize too that gun confiscation doesn't necessarily mean genocide will follow, but my thinking is, once private gun ownership is illegal, there is nothing to STOP genocide (short of fighting with knives and sticks and what-not).
http://fcit.usf.edu/...lery2/66297.htm
That made me wonder how many Jews did survive and I found this:
http://answers.yahoo...19072615AAgknCw
Sometimes I think it would be nice to have American Indian ancestry then I would know how to make a bow and arrow from scratch, although I suppose I could still learn how, I wouldn't think it would be too difficult.

There was an underground effort I think in Western Europe, during the 2nd World War to arm free Jews with small .22 cal handguns.  "For every Jew, a .22", the idea being that fighting back against the Nazis became possible.  If they were caught and going to be taken, they'd be able to pull their weapon before a weapon was pulled on them.   Or more heroically, they could actively hunt Nazis one at a time, pursuing them in the streets, shooting them in the back of the head.

[AsteroidX]

Guns are a deterrent to tyranny. No brainer

[acidhead]

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

AsteroidX, on 10 January 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

Guns are a deterrent to tyranny. No brainer

as convincing as I'm sure you expect that to be ... there is staggeringly little tyranny in Australia.

[AsteroidX]

Wearer of Hats the confiscation of Australian guns and the pittance you were given followed by the immediate taxation on I dont know what it was health care I believe. Is 100% Tyrrany. You didnt even get to keep the money for turning in your guns. Here in America there offering 50$ food vouchers to turn in guns. What a joke.

Edited by AsteroidX, 10 January 2013 - 05:43 PM.

[Stellar]

People keep crying that everything is tyranny. How ridiculous.

[questionmark]

Stellar, on 10 January 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

People keep crying that everything is tyranny. How ridiculous.

You have to understand that for what it is: a buzzword like liberal, or socialist or....

It really means nothing because those mostly using it are willing to exchange the consensus creating form of self rule for the dictate of the few.

[Corp]

Stellar, on 10 January 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

People keep crying that everything is tyranny. How ridiculous.

Well hyperbole is the official language of UM.

[Hasina]

Y'all know that phrase 'you can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time'? I'd like to propose a new saying, 'some of the problems are problems to some of the people, but all of the problems aren't problems to all of the people'.

As in, for some people the idea of a 'paranoid person' owning a gun is dangerous. Hear this, I'm paranoid, I'll admit it. Not of the government, but of some bloody crook breaking into my home and stealing or worse. Some other people? This problem doesn't bother them, the police can handle it or it won't happen to them, etc and so forth.

Edited by Hasina, 10 January 2013 - 05:58 PM.