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#16    SteveBronfman

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:23 AM

Doesn't make it right.

Muslims are constantly trying to change other societies culture but never accept change themselves. I'll give you two recent examples;

Italy;

Top Italian hotel OK's Muslim porter won't have to take orders from woman boss

Named one of the top 500 hotels on the planet, the 5-Star Hotel Danieli of Venice, Italy has played host to the likes of Johann von Goethe, Richard Wagner, Honoré de Balzac, Charles Dickens and Emile Zola.
A one night stay in this swankiest of Venetian hotels runs the range of $12,198.88 (£7,747.29) to $308.05 (£195.64) per night.
It must cost that much in order to hire a go-between for a Muslim porter who refuses to take orders from his female supervisor.

USA;

Muslim Employee Suing Disney Over Right to Wear Hijab

A Muslim woman who worked as a hostess at a Disneyland restaurant is suing Disney, claiming the company wouldn't let her appear in front of guests while wearing her headscarf.

Muslim logic, including your own over Mecca, goes something like this;

"When Westerners come to Muslim countries they must abide by our traditions but when we go to Western countries Westerners must ALSO abide by our traditions including changing their own to suit us."


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:32 AM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 15 August 2012 - 05:45 AM, said:

and mecca will always be that way .. in 100 years .. in 200 .. in 500 years .. forever ? mecca will always be ONLY muslims city
you're not big fan of islam why does it bother you ?

ohh wait i i know .. you think it something makes islam look bad ? well it doesn't that's part of our religion
and we're proud it's only muslims city as god ..and his prophet ordered :P

KOS 'xcept that Mecca use to be a Temple for Triple Goddess Kore,sorry man!

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 06:42 AM

Yeah, there's lots of evidence it was a Hindu shrine. There's an ancient Indian inscription in the Kaaba which means;


..Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king [Vikramaditya’s] reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us - foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest..."


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:33 AM

View PostParacelse, on 15 August 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

KOS 'xcept that Mecca use to be a Temple for Triple Goddess Kore,sorry man!
you talking about the stones and woods status of idol and pagan worship gods  that
muslims have destroyed and cleansed al kabba when they finally arrive to mecca ?
yeah what's the big deal ? al kabba was place of pagan and idol worship before islam

and you sorry about what exactly .. am well aware of history on the matter
but this is the present .. after in our religion god forbade non-muslims from mecca
it is .. a only-muslims city no matter what it was before islam

and the funny fact .. the very same people who used to worship those idols
are the same muslims who defeated persia and romans :D

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And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
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Posted 15 August 2012 - 07:57 AM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 15 August 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

you talking about the stones and woods status of idol and pagan worship gods  that
muslims have destroyed and cleansed al kabba when they finally arrive to mecca ?
yeah what's the big deal ? al kabba was place of pagan and idol worship before islam

and you sorry about what exactly .. am well aware of history on the matter
but this is the present .. after in our religion god forbade non-muslims from mecca
it is .. a only-muslims city no matter what it was before islam

and the funny fact .. the very same people who used to worship those idols
are the same muslims who defeated persia and romans :D

In the first 2/300 years of Islam, the people of the Book (Bible) Christians and Jews were allowed, I'm not sure when this changed.  In Spain, Muslem Universities allowed students of all religions.  Heck a future pope studied there, his name is Gerbert d'Aurillac who became Sylverter II studied in Toledo in 982/3.  He promoted the study of Arab/Greek mathematics, philosophy art and astronomy.  Thanks to him, another Benedictin Clunisian monk had the Coran translated in latin.  When then the entire thing changed?  I'm not familiar with the changes past 1350 because my research goes before that time.

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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:28 PM

View PostParacelse, on 15 August 2012 - 07:57 AM, said:

In the first 2/300 years of Islam, the people of the Book (Bible) Christians and Jews were allowed, I'm not sure when this changed.  In Spain, Muslem Universities allowed students of all religions.  Heck a future pope studied there, his name is Gerbert d'Aurillac who became Sylverter II studied in Toledo in 982/3.  He promoted the study of Arab/Greek mathematics, philosophy art and astronomy.  Thanks to him, another Benedictin Clunisian monk had the Coran translated in latin.  When then the entire thing changed?  I'm not familiar with the changes past 1350 because my research goes before that time.
do not mix between muslim countries , schools . universities  and mecca :D
because the first ones are open to all religion but mecca is only muslims country
and all non-muslims were out when a a verse of quran was told by mohammad that says
all non-muslims will not live near muslims in mecca after this last year " the year that they were living there "
it means the change was made " during " the life of muhammad

however you are mixing up with what's known today as " Saudia arabia " and other cities .. and only mecca
mecca is city in saudia where the kabba is .. and that's the only city is off limits for non-muslims
the rest of saudia arabia is open for muslims and non-muslims alike

and i have no idea what you talking about spain i think you got the wrong idea
i didn't said nethier anyone else said that any muslim country cannot be entered by non-muslims
we're only talking about mecca .. the rest of muslim world was open for non-muslims
mecca is considred holy to islam that's why no non-muslims allowed

Edited by Knight Of Shadows, 15 August 2012 - 04:47 PM.

by the name of Allah the Gracious the Merciful
Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak From the evil of that which He created
And from the evil of darkness when it settles And from the evil of the blowers in knots
And from the evil of an envier when he envies"
truthful was Allah The Most High And Great


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Posted 15 August 2012 - 04:44 PM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 15 August 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

do not mix between muslim countries , schools . universities  and mecca :D
because the first ones are open to all religion but mecca is only muslims country
and all non-muslims were out when a a verse of quran was told by mohammad that says
all non-muslims will not live near muslims in mecca after this last year " the year that they were living "
it means the change was made " during " the life of muhammad

however you are mixing up with what's known today as " Saudia arabia " and other cities .. and only mecca
mecca is city in saudia where the kabba is .. and that's the only city is off limits for non-muslims
the rest of saudia arabia is open for muslims and non-muslims alike

and i have no idea what you talking about spain i think you got the wrong idea
i didn't said nethier anyone else said that any muslim country cannot be entered by non-muslims
we're only talking about mecca .. the rest of muslim world was open for non-muslims
mecca is considred holy to islam that's why no non-muslims allowed

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 12:04 AM

"the rest of saudia arabia is open for muslims and non-muslims alike"

Please give me the address for the Jewish community Centre in S'audi Arabia?

How about the Catholic Cathedral of S'audi Arabia?


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:27 AM

View PostSteveBronfman, on 16 August 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

"the rest of saudia arabia is open for muslims and non-muslims alike"

Please give me the address for the Jewish community Centre in S'audi Arabia?

How about the Catholic Cathedral of S'audi Arabia?
if a country is 97% muslims .. should i bring you jews and christians from mars and put them in saudia ?
you actually want to know or you just wanna argue without making any sense ?
and most of the christians or non-muslims in saudia are outside workers who came to work there
but the laws of saudia does not forbid non-muslims from going anywhere EXCEPT mecca

my suggestion .. if you don't know something you shouldn't talk about it

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:31 AM

Okay so 3% aren't Muslim according to your data. Therefore there should be at least a few Churches or Hindu Temples. Please list their addresses.

Let's put this in context. Norway is about 3% Muslim and there's over 100 Mosques. Please provide details of even 1 Church or Temple in S'audi Arabia without making excuses.

Here is the Address of the Islamic Cultural Centre Mosque in Norway;
Tøyenbekken 24 0188 Oslo, Norway
21 38 00 00

Also non-Muslims are banned from Medina too.

Edited by SteveBronfman, 16 August 2012 - 01:34 AM.


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:38 AM

View PostSteveBronfman, on 16 August 2012 - 01:31 AM, said:

Okay so 3% aren't Muslim according to your data. Therefore there should be at least a few Churches or Hindu Temples. Please list their addresses.

Let's put this in context. Norway is about 3% Muslim and there's over 100 Mosques. Please provide details of even 1 Church or Temple in S'audi Arabia without making excuses.

Here is the Address of the Islamic Cultural Centre Mosque in Norway;
Tøyenbekken 24 0188 Oslo, Norway
21 38 00 00

Also non-Muslims are banned from Medina too.
first of all you haven't read my post .. i said most of those non-muslims are outside workers
second .. non-muslims are not banned from medina .. that's just your imagination or hatred it's not of my bussiness eaither way
the important thing .. you don't know what you talking about .. therfore the discussion is waste of time
get educated and read more that non-muslims are not banned from medina

hench " when omar used to be calipha ruling islamic nation from medina he was approached by christian woman that had debt cannot repay
and he did that debt for her "

read history and knowledge or don't get into discussions you have no knowledge of !

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:49 AM

So you're admitting two things.

1. Non-Muslims can't be citizens of S'audi Arabia.

2. There are no Churches, Synogogues, Temples in S'audia Arabia.

Also Medina does ban non-Muslims.

"Similarly to Mecca, entrance to Medina is restricted to Muslims only; non-Muslims are neither permitted to enter nor travel through the city.[2][3][4] "


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 01:50 AM

"if a country is 97% muslims .. should i bring you jews and christians from mars and put them in saudia ?"

There were no Muslims in Europe once and now there's 50 million. This is a rediculous excuse.


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:15 AM

medina was not forbidden during islamic times to non-muslims based on historic events such as example one i mentioned
if the current goverment forbids it then it's' the goverment that does so .. not islam therfore no concern of mine

and if the goverment refuses citizanship to non-muslims to the whole saudia kingdom .. beats me
that's the goverment laws not islamic laws islamic laws was only to forbid non-muslims from mecca
same goes with churches and rest of bla bla bla endless argument you keep trying to pose

your empty statements to make this look like islam fault is meaningless
islam never forbade people from their worshipping when it was a great nation ruling the whole place
but it's the people who forbid each other

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:25 AM

How about we stay to the actual topic of this thread.





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