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[Imaginarynumber1]

Clyde the Glyde, on 14 November 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

He has knowledge and access to top secret classified American intelligence. And who was in a position to possibly be black-mailed.

Seems like reason enough.

From what I have heard, this is why he resigned, so that he could not be blackmailed.

[CommunitarianKevin]

and then, on 15 November 2012 - 02:28 AM, said:

Look, man, I just got back from a 2 week "vacation" from posting here and the LAST thing I care to do is argue - sincerely.  But considering the trail of events and the obvious attempts to sweep this under a rug, I think 2 months is a sufficient time frame for SOMETHING to be forthcoming, don't you?  Even if the election wasn't part of the equation, that's over now and the president has another 4.  But it's time the people were told WHY  a terror attack - ON 9-11- was allowed and then denied.  Fox news or not, this one is NOT going to go away.  Things are usually never as good or bad as they seem at first glance and that's a good thing for the prez because if THIS is as bad as it seems to be then Impeachment could be on the table.  Conviction? Never... but he could still be dragged into court.

MiskatonicGrad, on 15 November 2012 - 02:38 AM, said:

The problem I have with the whole thing is timing. the supposed affair was going on while the General was being vetted for the CIA. now I'm pretty sure the FBI had thier anal probes out and well lubed during this process and they didn't find out about the affair? Didn't they ever watch the show Cheaters? Do we have the keystone cops in the FBI? So if they did know about the affair they let it slide? Why? It's called having dirt on someone we can use at a later date.

The way I see it the left never liked Patraeus and decided to set him up. was the writer a "plant" she sure smells like one. no cred. and getting to write the bio on the most powerful general in the country? Are we ever going to know the truth? not just a no but a HELL NO!

I am going to combine my response to both of you...

“SOMETHING” has come out and progress is being made. Man, I suggest the Liberal news networks. Just today Petraeus agreed to testify about Benghazi. Both Repubs and Dems want answers and people have been assigned to look into it.

Yesterday and today McCain and Lindsey whatever hammered UN ambassador Susan Rice. Obama spoke today and was furious. Rice did nothing wrong. She simply said what she was told to say. Obama said to blame him and not try to ruin the career of an innocent person. He also said that when he was informed lives were in danger in Benghazi, he said they must be protected at all costs and initiated action. The question is, why did this not happen? Was the president informed too late? Did his orders not get followed or not get followed correctly? The president wants answers as much as anyone.

The sex scandal has also come about. I would also consider this “something.” Though we cannot be sure there is a connection to Benghazi, Dems and Repubs are upset. Not even the president knew that the FBI was investigating Petraeus. The FBI has been investigating Petraeus for months. What is this talk about the FBI not finding the affair? They did find it…because they were informed of it…and it has now continued on to other things such as General Allen. Facts are coming out.

Some things are certain. That is that the CIA does stuff without the president knowing about it. The FBI also does stuff without the president knowing about it. Everyone is upset the FBI did not tell the president about the sex scandal, but I would argue that this is a good thing. If the president knew that the FBI was looking into Petreaus, he could take action to cover that up. By not telling him everything, it kept the probe clean. We need these different organizations to work separately every once in a while to ensure there are NOT cover ups. The FBI may have in fact uncovered something that was trying to be covered up. You think the FBI “let it slide?” Who do you think made Petreaus resign? The FBI found out about it and ended his career…Like I have said…let things play out before we hang people…

And why did a terrorist attack happen on 9/11? My guess would be because of the same reason it happened on 9/11 the first time… some crazy Muslims had a plan. You say it was “allowed?” so the first 9/11 was allowed? By Bush?

I did not want to bring Bush into it but since you want to talk impeachment, why not…
What was the first 9/11 allowed to happen? Did the CIA and the Bush administration not have clues and information on possible attacks? Why did we not know about it? Why did Bush not know about it? If he did, was he trying to cover it up? Why no impeach him?

Also in the Bush administration…we were informed that there were WMD in Iraq, so Bush decided to invade them. Turns out, there were no WMDs. Who is responsible for this? Who is responsible for thousands of American’s lives and trillions of dollars? Did our intelligence screw up? It is possible our intelligence screwed up, just as it did in Benghazi. So in comparison, Bush should have been impeached…Hell, he probably could have been tried as a war criminal. But was it Bush’s fault? Maybe it had nothing to do with the president…maybe it has nothing to do with Obama. The fact is that the blunders under the Bush administration cost us thousands of lives and trillions of dollars and yet there were no negative consequences. But you think Obama should be impeached for the loss of 4 lives? At least try and seem reasonable…

Edited by HuttonEtAl, 15 November 2012 - 03:50 AM.

[CommunitarianKevin]

Merc14, on 15 November 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

All you reactionary a-holes SHUT UP about the Benghazi affair, declares H-etal, because the most trusted and transparent administration in the history of the world  is diligently investigating this abomination and we can trust that the honorable Eric Holder (the same one covering up Fast and Furious but that doesn't matter anyways according to H-etal so bugger off) will get to the bottom of all this and tell us what to think.  LMAO.

Obama was defending Rice today and said when she went out and lied to the public on all 4 network Sunday shows she didn't know a thing and was just reporting what she told to by the administration. SO why the hell did they send her out if she had nothing to do with the attack and didn't know anything about the attack?  Where the hell was the SoS??  Why did Petraeus lie to congress?  Oh, sorry, I am not supposed to ask that till Holder tells me what really happened.  Yeah, that Eric Holder.

Why is that incompetent boob Hillary in Australia at a wine tasting? Subpoena her and if she blows you off censure her, congress, you bunch of cowards!

Your right, chump...just take Obama and his administration (no Repubs though) out back and hang them. Destroy the American government and kill all of its leaders. THEN THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

[CommunitarianKevin]

Merc14, on 15 November 2012 - 03:23 AM, said:

So Charles Krauthammer is from the Onion?  Is that what you are saying because I'll put his credentials up against anyone from the MSM any day.  I don't care what site I linked, it is what Krauthammer said, verbatim, that we are talking about.  It was him in a clip so who cares where I linked to.

Seriously, you need to bring something more than strawman attacks on source sites if you want to participate as anything more than a blind zealot of the one.  Strawman attacks, such as you constantly use, are a sign of a person who has no legitimate argument and simply wants to change the direction of the debate or a person defending the indefensible or a person of limited intelligence who can do no better than ad-hominem attacks.  Which one are you ND?  

Why are your sources so much better than everyone elses? You are one to bring up ad-hominem attacks...

[CommunitarianKevin]

And by the way...what the hell is MSM? I do not know this term...when I google MSM the first thing that comes up is "men that have sex with men..."
What are you talking about exactly?

[Merc14]

HuttonEtAl, on 15 November 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

Your right, chump...just take Obama and his administration (no Repubs though)

- Uh, what republicans do you hold responsible for the murder of our ambassador and the subsequent cover-up under the Obama administration? Really really interested in this response?

HuttonEtAl, on 15 November 2012 - 03:49 AM, said:

out back and hang them. Destroy the American government and kill all of its leaders. THEN THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

- Hang the Obama administration?   Destroy the American government and kill all the leaders?  Yikes!  Where did you get that from?  I want a legitimate investigation and the people who made this atrocity happen, punished just as happens to other administrations.  Get a grip.

[Merc14]

HuttonEtAl, on 15 November 2012 - 03:52 AM, said:

Why are your sources so much better than everyone elses? You are one to bring up ad-hominem attacks...

You haven't offered any sources!  All you say is we should shut the hell up till Eric Holder finshes his investigation.  LMAO.  Yeah, Eric will tell us straight up what happened.  BTW, The ad-hominem attacks statement was in reference to ninja, not you.

[CommunitarianKevin]

Merc14, on 15 November 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

- Uh, what republicans do you hold responsible for the murder of our ambassador and the subsequent cover-up under the Obama administration? Really really interested in this response?


- Hang the Obama administration?   Destroy the American government and kill all the leaders?  Yikes!  Where did you get that from?  I want a legitimate investigation and the people who made this atrocity happen, punished just as happens to other administrations.  Get a grip.

What Republicans do I hold responsible? Any that are in the CIA, US Military, US Congress, FBI, and any in the Government in general because this was not the doing of one person. I was under the impression that the CIA and FBI were on neither side, but you seem to think otherwise...

See the problem is that in your opinion, our government cannot conduct a legitimate investigation unless it is done by Tea Partiers...

Merc14, on 15 November 2012 - 04:11 AM, said:

You haven't offered any sources!  All you say is we should shut the hell up till Eric Holder finshes his investigation.  LMAO.  Yeah, Eric will tell us straight up what happened.  BTW, The ad-hominem attacks statement was in reference to ninja, not you.

My source? CNN and Fox News. And yes, let the investigation finish...in this country, one is innocent until proven gulity. If you do not trust Eric Holder, or anyone else preforming the investigation, what is the point in even having one? We may as well just sweep it under the rug...if you do not agree with the findings or the conclusion you will call it a cover up or party bias...so why try? Nothing can be uncovered to convince you this is not the fault of the Dems and Obama. If they find out it is their fault, you win...if they find out it is not their fault, you will not believe it and you win. Nothing makes you happy unless that damn Socialist is hanged for his crimes...

I know the ad-hominem attack statement was not towards me...but I will defend other people...

[F3SS]

Merc14, on 15 November 2012 - 03:13 AM, said:

Obama was defending Rice today and said when she went out and lied to the public on all 4 network Sunday shows she didn't know a thing and was just reporting what she told to by the administration. SO why the hell did they send her out if she had nothing to do with the attack and didn't know anything about the attack?  Where the hell was the SoS??  Why did Petraeus lie to congress?  Oh, sorry, I am not supposed to ask that till Holder tells me what really happened.  Yeah, that Eric Holder.

Yes and Obama recently, maybe today, said if the press wants to come after someone come after him. Then he will continue to give standard run-around answers with no new developments. And when the press asks Jay Carney, the press secretary who speaks for the administration, tells reporters they need to ask the FBI because 'we really don't know anything'. It's a big game where apparently the head coaching staff has absolutely no knowledge of its teams plays or even what game the team is playing on virtually any matter that may not reflect well on the coaching staff. Well to me, that in itself doesn't reflect well on the coaching staff.
You know what else? We the people own the whole damn team. And what do owners do when their coaching staff looks bad and bungles the game? They get pisssed and demand answers and eventually heads will roll.

[joc]

HuttonEtAl, on 15 November 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:

And by the way...what the hell is MSM? I do not know this term...when I google MSM the first thing that comes up is "men that have sex with men..."
What are you talking about exactly?

I think he is referring to MainStreamMedia.

[lightly]

LMAO....   why resign now?  I sorta think his wife has heard about the affair?   Blackmail him with what?  

  ..  shhhhhhhh  maybe she still won't find out.        wtp?

[ninjadude]

Merc14, on 15 November 2012 - 03:23 AM, said:

Which one are you ND?

I see you didn't touch the statement you made that P already gave testimony.

[ninjadude]

-Mr_Fess-, on 15 November 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

They get pisssed and demand answers and eventually heads will roll.

but you can't have answers until you investigate. Get that? I mean I know Bush shot first and investigated later. But that was 4 years ago.

[Merc14]

HuttonEtAl, on 15 November 2012 - 04:38 AM, said:

What Republicans do I hold responsible? Any that are in the CIA, US Military, US Congress, FBI, and any in the Government in general because this was not the doing of one person. I was under the impression that the CIA and FBI were on neither side, but you seem to think otherwise...

See the problem is that in your opinion, our government cannot conduct a legitimate investigation unless it is done by Tea Partiers...


My source? CNN and Fox News. And yes, let the investigation finish...in this country, one is innocent until proven gulity. If you do not trust Eric Holder, or anyone else preforming the investigation, what is the point in even having one? We may as well just sweep it under the rug...if you do not agree with the findings or the conclusion you will call it a cover up or party bias...so why try? Nothing can be uncovered to convince you this is not the fault of the Dems and Obama. If they find out it is their fault, you win...if they find out it is not their fault, you will not believe it and you win. Nothing makes you happy unless that damn Socialist is hanged for his crimes...

I know the ad-hominem attack statement was not towards me...but I will defend other people...

Who pee'd in your Wheaties?  LMAO.  You always make me laugh with your inane defense of this regime and then your follow-up attempt, after being made to look foolish, that is even more ridiculous than your original assertion. "What Republicans do I hold responsible? Any that are in the CIA, US Military, US Congress, FBI, and any in the Government" . If I didn't know you were serious I'd be "liking" this for being great sarcasm but even funnier, is you are serious!   Unbelievable, you make ninja look rational.

[Merc14]

ninjadude, on 16 November 2012 - 02:47 AM, said:

I see you didn't touch the statement you made that P already gave testimony.

I guess I missed it but who cares, here is his testimony:
http://www.foxnews.c...re-on-petraeus/

Learn to google will ya.