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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:39 AM

I find some of these comments utterly disgusting..
She went to a foreign country and stood up for her beliefs and died because of it..
And people are using her death to justify either side of what seems like a hopless situation..
The facts are that she stood against something she saw as wrong, and died because of that..
She put her life on the line and lost it..
That's neither pointless nor is it dying in vain... That's showing the world that she had more balls than most of us..


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:42 AM

View Postacidhead, on 07 December 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

Sorry bud... but that post has more excuses than ...  the driver of the heavy duty operation machine is guilty of negligence at the very least.  When you're the operator of such a piece of machinery, especially in public, you make damn sure you're operating in the best safety of the environment surrounding you.  This was pure negligence.   Absolutely no respect given to the third party which the individual would have given one of his own family members or friends. .... GUILTY
I have to view the Corries as honest and reliable witnesses.   Just based on this OP interview this was at least negligence.    Even "following orders" deserves the driver a guilty verdict for criminal negligence imho.  But there were much bigger fish to fry in this case, too.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:49 AM

View PostOverSword, on 06 December 2012 - 06:43 PM, said:

The Corries have my sympathy, but do they really think that the sacrificing thier daughter for thier liberal ideals was a fair exchange?  It was after all thier idealism that was the root of her own over the top activism.  She died for nothing in my viewpoint.  They remind me of my sisters in-laws who at the birth of my neice announced (to the disgust of my father and I) hooray!  Another voter for the democratic party!
I completely disagree with the conclusion that she died in vain.  She turned out bigger in death than she was in life.   She may have lived a long life to do many great things and so I would be wrong in saying that.  But at least up until that point and the relative unknown that she was, her death shined a bright light on the plight of Palestine.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:56 AM

View Postand then, on 06 December 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Yam this young woman probably thought she was untouchable because of a US passport.  She put herself in a very dangerous situation and a terrible accident occurred.  To say anything else is to accuse the driver of murdering her.  What possible benefit would accrue to any Israeli in that situation?  I mean, really?  At worst the driver may have been upset for her brashness and assumed she had sense enough to get out of the way of a huge multiple ton piece of heavy equipment.  That seems a reasonable assumption to me.  Her parents probably are more responsible for her death than the dozer operator.  They made her fearless and somewhat arrogant IMO.  The world is a cruel place and has little pity for the haughty.
I never felt untouchable due to a US passport...at all.  

Maybe it was her passion for Palestinians that made her brave.

Great parents raise children to be strong, not afraid.  Fearless doesn't mean stupid, though fearless doesn't exist in reality.  Everyone is afraid of something; some are just more able than others to hide their chinks.  Yet courageous people accomplish great things or die trying, and Rachel did both.  

I'm sorry I just don't view using fear as a motivator to be something that you wish for.   Especially for our children.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:46 PM

View PostProfessor T, on 07 December 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

I find some of these comments utterly disgusting..
She went to a foreign country and stood up for her beliefs and died because of it..
And people are using her death to justify either side of what seems like a hopless situation..
The facts are that she stood against something she saw as wrong, and died because of that..
She put her life on the line and lost it..
That's neither pointless nor is it dying in vain... That's showing the world that she had more balls than most of us..
So now all potential in her life is gone at the age of 22.  No chance to have children, no chance to help anymore people, no chance to laugh, cry, dance....nothing.  game over.  Waste.  You know, there are plenty of Palestinians that don't sacrifice thier lives for thier own cause, that find other ways of fighting the injustice they face daily.  Had this young person done something more reasonable than stand in the way of a 5 ton bulldozer, She could have done good for people she thought were suffering for years and still had room enough to live a happy life.  But now....nothing.  That is not a positive thing.

Edited by OverSword, 07 December 2012 - 08:48 PM.


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:46 PM

View PostProfessor T, on 07 December 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

I find some of these comments utterly disgusting..
She went to a foreign country and stood up for her beliefs and died because of it..
And people are using her death to justify either side of what seems like a hopless situation..
The facts are that she stood against something she saw as wrong, and died because of that..
She put her life on the line and lost it..
That's neither pointless nor is it dying in vain... That's showing the world that she had more balls than most of us..
The death was senseless.  Sometimes it is necessary to die for a cause but I firmly believe that this wasn't a good example of that.  It was an accident that she could have avoided if she had been thinking more clearly.  WHO, in their right mind plays "chicken" with a bulldozer?  An arrogant young person who feels she can cow an authority figure - and it just didn't work out the way she expected.  I respect her principles but her judgement was for crap on this day.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:54 PM

View Postacidhead, on 07 December 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

Sorry bud... but that post has more excuses than ...  the driver of the heavy duty operation machine is guilty of negligence at the very least.  When you're the operator of such a piece of machinery, especially in public, you make damn sure you're operating in the best safety of the environment surrounding you.  This was pure negligence.   Absolutely no respect given to the third party which the individual would have given one of his own family members or friends. .... GUILTY
So this guy allows an arrogant young person to stop him from his duty and he potentially loses his job?  SHE CHOSE to stand in front of a moving piece of heavy equipment that was about to remove an abandoned (years) property.  She was attempting to force her views on a nation to which she was not even a citizen.  This guy was doing a job KNOWING that protesters were trying to stop him.  Let's call it what it was - they got into a pissing contest and she paid large.  And where sound and visibility were concerned, the machine is extremely loud and depending on the position of the blade he might very well have not seen her and assume (as would be reasonable for a rational person) that she had good sense enough to get away from the danger -NOT GUILTY.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:05 PM

View PostOverSword, on 07 December 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

So now all potential in her life is gone at the age of 22.  No chance to have children, no chance to help anymore people, no chance to laugh, cry, dance....nothing.  game over.  Waste.  You know, there are plenty of Palestinians that don't sacrifice thier lives for thier own cause, that find other ways of fighting the injustice they face daily.  Had this young person done something more reasonable than stand in the way of a 5 ton bulldozer, She could have done good for people she thought were suffering for years and still had room enough to live a happy life.  But now....nothing.  That is not a positive thing.

View Postand then, on 07 December 2012 - 10:46 PM, said:

The death was senseless.  Sometimes it is necessary to die for a cause but I firmly believe that this wasn't a good example of that.  It was an accident that she could have avoided if she had been thinking more clearly.  WHO, in their right mind plays "chicken" with a bulldozer?  An arrogant young person who feels she can cow an authority figure - and it just didn't work out the way she expected.  I respect her principles but her judgement was for crap on this day.
Your entitled to your views..
You are right though Oversword, it wasn't a positive thing, but that's not to say some positive events can come because of it..  
But like I said, people are using her death to justify a terrible situation.. And if anything her death has brought attention to that..
No life, or death is without point or sense. So there was nothing pointless or sensless about her actions and death.

I kinda wish people saw things for what they are that more often, instead of jumping the gun and picking sides to back. because there is no quicker way to cause conflict than picking sides..


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:17 PM

View PostProfessor T, on 07 December 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Your entitled to your views..
You are right though Oversword, it wasn't a positive thing, but that's not to say some positive events can come because of it..  
But like I said, people are using her death to justify a terrible situation.. And if anything her death has brought attention to that..
No life, or death is without point or sense. So there was nothing pointless or sensless about her actions and death.

I kinda wish people saw things for what they are that more often, instead of jumping the gun and picking sides to back. because there is no quicker way to cause conflict than picking sides..
I hear you Prof.  I've just had too many friends die young and as I get older and see just how much life they've miss out on through recklessnes, bad luck, and suicide it just bothers me when I see a pretty 22 year old girl get killed when she could have taken a step back followed by a deep breath and still been here.  If you look at her life and how she really did alot of good selfless charitable things for others ever since she was a child it seems all the more a shame that she died like that.  Very sad thing.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:10 AM

View PostOverSword, on 07 December 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

I hear you Prof.  I've just had too many friends die young and as I get older and see just how much life they've miss out on through recklessnes, bad luck, and suicide it just bothers me when I see a pretty 22 year old girl get killed when she could have taken a step back followed by a deep breath and still been here.  If you look at her life and how she really did alot of good selfless charitable things for others ever since she was a child it seems all the more a shame that she died like that.  Very sad thing.
I can appriciate that..
I've had two go that way myself.. Forgiving them is the hardest thing..


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:14 AM

View PostProfessor T, on 07 December 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Your entitled to your views..
You are right though Oversword, it wasn't a positive thing, but that's not to say some positive events can come because of it..  
But like I said, people are using her death to justify a terrible situation.. And if anything her death has brought attention to that..
No life, or death is without point or sense. So there was nothing pointless or sensless about her actions and death.

I kinda wish people saw things for what they are that more often, instead of jumping the gun and picking sides to back. because there is no quicker way to cause conflict than picking sides..
If this madness was happening in their own country, like they'd be siding with the bulldozer.   We can cut that irony with a knife.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:16 AM

I pick "the side" of civility, freedom, liberty, life, private property, non-violence.   I must be weird, because I see these things still exist outside the magic borderlines of the US.

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