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[ealdwita]

I see from the news that Call-me-Dave is apologising (yes - another apology!) to the Indians for the Amritsar massacre of 1919. Fair enough, but will India be apologising for the atrocities committed by Indian troops and civilians during the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857 and the 'Black Hole of Calcutta' incident of 1756? Don't hold your breath!

Edited by ealdwita, 20 February 2013 - 03:34 PM.

[ExpandMyMind]

A couple of people here have mentioned aid. Aid is not given to countries with charity in mind. Aid in this respect is a name given to the act of bribing poor countries. The term was adopted by Western countries who give these bribes as a means to legitimise the act of bribery. It is a quid pro quo type of deal. When people state 'We should stop giving aid', they are effectively stating (possibly quite rightly) that we should stop bribing these countries' governments and leaders into doing business with us; an act which results in our cheap products and comparatively superior lifestyle.

The idea that our government would do anything to help extreme poverty or nations in trouble in this manner, for no reason other than to help, is quite ridiculous, and it is a testament to both the ignorance of the masses and the intellect of those who created the system that it even still today exists, largely unquestioned.

[Walter White]

ealdwita, on 20 February 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

I see from the news that Call-me-Dave is apologising (yes - another apology!) to the Indians for the Amritsar massacre of 1919. Fair enough, but will India be apologising for the atrocities committed by Indian troops and civilians during the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857 and the 'Black Hole of Calcutta' incident of 1756? Don't hold your breath!

I think you've got got a faulty news source there, everything I've read has reported the opposite.

Left or Right, choose your poison.

http://www.guardian....-massacre-india

http://www.dailymail...-shot-down.html

[ExpandMyMind]

ealdwita, on 20 February 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

I see from the news that Call-me-Dave is apologising (yes - another apology!) to the Indians for the Amritsar massacre of 1919. Fair enough, but will India be apologising for the atrocities committed by Indian troops and civilians during the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857 and the 'Black Hole of Calcutta' incident of 1756? Don't hold your breath!

I would never ask any nation to apologise for rebelling against tyranny, occupation or imperialism. To put it into perspective, how many nations have apologised to Germany for the 10+ million Germans who were killed in Europe, after WW2? Or the Japanese who were massacred? Context is everything and Britain in that time was the aggressor, which makes it difficult to take any sort of moral high ground.

[freetoroam]

ealdwita, on 20 February 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

I see from the news that Call-me-Dave is apologising (yes - another apology!) to the Indians for the Amritsar massacre of 1919. Fair enough, but will India be apologising for the atrocities committed by Indian troops and civilians during the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857 and the 'Black Hole of Calcutta' incident of 1756? Don't hold your breath!

i can not see Dave Camewrong asking them for an apology as he is handing them another few million of tax payers money as "aid" for the Indians space programme.

[Mr Right Wing]

spud the mackem, on 19 February 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

The 2 prime Ministers got together to promote trade between the 2 Countries,then to the English Prime Ministers amazement the Indian P.M. asked why England are not allowing more Indians into the U.K....??....

I dont know Indian culture but this seems like a deliberate attempt to ask a difficult question.

Time to cut the £10 billion aid as punishment.

[Mr Right Wing]

ExpandMyMind, on 20 February 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

I would never ask any nation to apologise for rebelling against tyranny, occupation or imperialism. To put it into perspective, how many nations have apologised to Germany for the 10+ million Germans who were killed in Europe, after WW2? Or the Japanese who were massacred? Context is everything and Britain in that time was the aggressor, which makes it difficult to take any sort of moral high ground.

Next time Cameron goes he should take an Indian history book with him.

Then ask why India things Britain owes it something seeing as its kingdoms liked doing to each other exactly what we did to them. If they had slaves (which they did) how can they call us for having them? If they conquered (which they did) then how can they call us for having them.

Britain needs to grow a pair, stick too fingers up to all the third world counties (many of which still have slaves to this very day) and get on with creating a prosperous future for our own people.

[TheLastLazyGun]

spud the mackem, on 19 February 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

Indian P.M. asked why England are not allowing more Indians into the U.K....??....

Because England is full to the brim and the government is currently reducing immigration into Britain from the hundreds of thousands to the tens of thousands.

[ExpandMyMind]

Mr Right Wing, on 20 February 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Next time Cameron goes he should take an Indian history book with him.

Then ask why India things Britain owes it something seeing as its kingdoms liked doing to each other exactly what we did to them. If they had slaves (which they did) how can they call us for having them? If they conquered (which they did) then how can they call us for having them.

Britain needs to grow a pair, stick too fingers up to all the third world counties (many of which still have slaves to this very day) and get on with creating a prosperous future for our own people.

While you without a doubt have a point, I don't think it is a simple as you make out. I think both sides should have to apologise, within a certain amount of time (no point in apologising for something that happened half a millennia ago. It would have to be something fresh in the collective memory), to any nations they have recently conquered. This means that either should be able to accept an apology, or should be due one, regardless of the past. If Russia had, during the Cold War, invaded and subdued Britain, would the people of Britain then, decades later, not be due some sort of apology, if both sides were by then on better terms? Simply due to their own foreign policy and actions of the past?

Follow my logic?  It's like a criminal assaulting another criminal and then not having any sort of penance or punishment, due to the victim also being a past criminal.

Oh and by the way, the aid has nothing to do with us owing them anything for the past.

Edited by ExpandMyMind, 20 February 2013 - 07:06 PM.

[Mr Right Wing]

ExpandMyMind, on 20 February 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

While you without a doubt have a point, I don't think it is a simple as you make out. I think both sides should have to apologise, within a certain amount of time (no point in apologising for something that happened half a millennia ago. It would have to be something fresh in the collective memory), to any nations they have recently conquered. This means that either should be able to accept an apology, or should be due one, regardless of the past. If Russia had, during the Cold War, invaded and subdued Britain, would the people of Britain then, decades later, not be due some sort of apology, if both sides were by then on better terms? Simply due to their own foreign policy and actions of the past?

Follow my logic?  It's like a criminal assaulting another criminal and then not having any sort of penance or punishment, due to the victim also being a past criminal.

Oh and by the way, the aid has nothing to do with us owing them anything for the past.

Instead of apologising I'd much rather prefer a PM to go and restablish us as a superpower thanks.

[ExpandMyMind]

Mr Right Wing, on 20 February 2013 - 07:20 PM, said:

Instead of apologising I'd much rather prefer a PM to go and restablish us as a superpower thanks.

Lol. Sorry, I forgot for a while there that you have no heart

We were never a superpower though, and never will be.

[spud the mackem]

ealdwita, on 20 February 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

I see from the news that Call-me-Dave is apologising (yes - another apology!) to the Indians for the Amritsar massacre of 1919. Fair enough, but will India be apologising for the atrocities committed by Indian troops and civilians during the Sepoy Mutiny of 1857 and the 'Black Hole of Calcutta' incident of 1756? Don't hold your breath!

    (1)  Oh Sahib, How can I apologise,I am just a poor Punka Wallah.
I boarded  a  train and an Indian Lady sat down opposite, she shut her eyes and her head went back, I thought she had died until I noticed the red spot on her forehead and realised that she had just gone into "Stand by Mode".....

[Max Hadbrayn]

The problem for the Government of the UK is that India will be a 'Super-power' by the middle of this century.

The days of the American Empire are coming to an end, just like the British Empire died around 1948/1950.

So the British HAS to make friends with India.

Otherwise it will be just another backwater country, struggling to survive.

The future world will be Indian & Chinese. Follow the Big Corporations, they are investing in these two countries, and where the money goes, is the future.

Americia and the UK, and most of the EU are history.

All Empires fall.

Max.

[spud the mackem]

Max Hadbrayn, on 20 February 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

The problem for the Government of the UK is that India will be a 'Super-power' by the middle of this century.

The days of the American Empire are coming to an end, just like the British Empire died around 1948/1950.

So the British HAS to make friends with India.

Otherwise it will be just another backwater country, struggling to survive.

The future world will be Indian & Chinese. Follow the Big Corporations, they are investing in these two countries, and where the money goes, is the future.

Americia and the UK, and most of the EU are history.

All Empires fall.

Max.

  America is not and never has been an Empire, Dont worry about India,most of the brains are here, look in any Hospitals,chemists,schools, small village shops,post offices,and you will find a smiling Indian face,they're everywhere even some of the news readers are Indian.