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#16    acidhead

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:40 AM

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:51 AM

View PostAsteroidX, on 06 January 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

This would be a good mandatory gun bill. Shoot the intruder until he stops moving. Its messy but effective.

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In another victory for responsible gun-owners, a mother defended herself and her two children using a firearm after a burglar broke into their home this past Friday.

It happened in Loganville, Georgia, about 35 miles east of Atlanta. “The woman was working in an upstairs office when she spotted a strange man outside a window, according to Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman,” reported WSBTV.com.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:56 AM

View Postacidhead, on 07 January 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:57 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 06 January 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

Have to be 21 to own a gun? Then you should have to be 21 to join the military. If you are old enough to die for your country (with a AK 47 in hand no less) then you should be old enough to exorcise any right given to any American.
This is the only proposal that I actually disagree with. 18 is adulthood. Why should adults ages 18-20 be denied rights that other adults have?


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:42 PM

View PostAndami, on 07 January 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

This is the only proposal that I actually disagree with. 18 is adulthood. Why should adults ages 18-20 be denied rights that other adults have?

Let's also point out that CT law says that you have to be 21 to possess a pistol.  Adam Lanza was 20.

The law did not stop him.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:53 PM

I, as a legal gun owner, don't have much of an issue with any of the suggestions but none of them would or will stop gun violence.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:48 PM

lol, they are anything but smart.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:51 PM

This is all clearly a knee-jerk reaction and very little is common sense.

View Postninjadude, on 05 January 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

1. Banning high-capacity ammunition.
How is this going to stop gun crime?  You make it illegal to own HCCs, so what?  People still drank during “Prohibition”.  Organized Crime became more powerful during that time.   All this does is prevent law abiding citizens from arming themselves to defend against a tyrannical government and it creates a black market for HCCs.  Have we not learned anything?

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2. Closing the ‘gun show loophole.’
The concept of a background check is OK but like most Socialist ideas, it’s only thought out for the short term.  This will only catch the really stupid criminals.  Criminals get their weapons the old fashion way.  They either steal it or buy it in the black market.  This would not have stopped Sandy Hook or Aurora.  Guns are inherited (all mine are) or people that pass a background check doesn’t mean that they won’t snap later.

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3. Making the database of who cannot buy guns effective.
Initially, a good idea but what happens if one is placed on this list by accident or incorrectly?  This would open the government up to a huge law suit.  There needs to be an exceptional process to deal with appeals and corrections so that people don’t have to jump through loops and are harassed to correct a bureaucratic error.  The best way to protect our Constitutional Rights would be not to have this law in the first place.

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4. Regulating where and how ammunition is purchased.
This is Obama’s baby.  This is his way to get around the 2nd.  We get to keep our guns but we can’t have the bullets.

The whole point of the internet is to be able to do exactly that (unlimited sale of whatever).  This is the soul of commerce and the foundation of this country.  If the technology was available, I’m sure that the Founding Fathers with the fluency of their letters would all have a blackberry or Iphone and would be tweeting every chance they had.

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5. Requiring handguns to be registered.
All this accomplishes is giving the government a list of who may own firearms.  This won’t stop crime.  When the Soviets invaded Poland in ’39, they had a list of who owned guns and they rounded up all those that did and sent them to the Siberian gulags.  My Father-in-Law was 3 then and his father had a gun.  The whole family was shipped off to Siberia.  He obviously survived but this is the only good a list kept by the government is for.  It does more harm than good.

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6. Regulating how gun licenses are issued.
Now this is a good idea.  Like how people are licensed to drive.  At least insure that those that own firearms are required to have gun safety training and for those that carry in public, live fire combat training where you must re-qual on a yearly (?) basis.  Besides, if everyone must buy health insurance, it wouldn’t be much of a stretch to force everyone to buy a gun.  But the bottom line is that this won’t stop gun crime.

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7. Raising the age of legal handgun ownership to 21.
Yeah right.  A juvenile gang-banger is going to follow that?  It would just make owning an illegal gun the “IN” thing.  All this does is show how out of touch our political leaders are from the people and the concepts of the Constitution.  It use to be that thirteen year olds owned their own guns and learned how to shoot and how to respect them.  What has changed?  Guns haven’t changed.

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8. Requiring the reporting of stolen guns.
Really?  I think most gun owners that get robbed, any lost guns are at the top of the list that gets reported.

Again, I must reiterate that these bills are useless, do nothing, feel good, knee-jerk reactions.  We have far more important issues facing us like the debt and the economy.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:14 PM

nyc has all of that, yet it is useless against gangs, they still have all their guns illegaly. they don't even carry them all the time, they hide them under parked cars on their street when they are there, when needed, they get them, and shoot with no hesitation., but when cops come, none has guns on them.

absolutely uselss bills, some of them were enacted, and proven to be useless.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 07 January 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

This is all clearly a knee-jerk reaction and very little is common sense.


How is this going to stop gun crime?  You make it illegal to own HCCs, so what?  People still drank during "Prohibition".  Organized Crime became more powerful during that time.   All this does is prevent law abiding citizens from arming themselves to defend against a tyrannical government and it creates a black market for HCCs.  Have we not learned anything?


The concept of a background check is OK but like most Socialist ideas, it's only thought out for the short term.  This will only catch the really stupid criminals.  Criminals get their weapons the old fashion way.  They either steal it or buy it in the black market.  This would not have stopped Sandy Hook or Aurora.  Guns are inherited (all mine are) or people that pass a background check doesn't mean that they won't snap later.


Initially, a good idea but what happens if one is placed on this list by accident or incorrectly?  This would open the government up to a huge law suit.  There needs to be an exceptional process to deal with appeals and corrections so that people don't have to jump through loops and are harassed to correct a bureaucratic error.  The best way to protect our Constitutional Rights would be not to have this law in the first place.


This is Obama's baby.  This is his way to get around the 2nd.  We get to keep our guns but we can't have the bullets.

The whole point of the internet is to be able to do exactly that (unlimited sale of whatever).  This is the soul of commerce and the foundation of this country.  If the technology was available, I'm sure that the Founding Fathers with the fluency of their letters would all have a blackberry or Iphone and would be tweeting every chance they had.


All this accomplishes is giving the government a list of who may own firearms.  This won't stop crime.  When the Soviets invaded Poland in '39, they had a list of who owned guns and they rounded up all those that did and sent them to the Siberian gulags.  My Father-in-Law was 3 then and his father had a gun.  The whole family was shipped off to Siberia.  He obviously survived but this is the only good a list kept by the government is for.  It does more harm than good.


Now this is a could idea.  Like how people are licensed to drive.  At least insure that those that own firearms are required to have gun safety training and for those that carry in public, live fire combat training where you must re-qual on a yearly (?) basis.  Besides, if everyone must buy health insurance, it wouldn't be much of a stretch to force everyone to buy a gun.  But the bottom line is that this won't stop gun crime.


Yeah right.  A juvenile gang-banger is going to follow that?  It would just make owning an illegal gun the "IN" thing.  All this does is show how out of touch our political leaders are from the people and the concepts of the Constitution.  It use to be that thirteen year olds owned their own guns and learned how to shoot and how to respect them.  What has changed?  Guns haven't changed.


Really?  I think most gun owners that get robbed, any lost guns are at the top of the list that gets reported.

Again, I must reiterate that these bills are useless, do nothing, feel good, knee-jerk reactions.  We have far more important issues facing us like the debt and the economy.

Totally agree, sir.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:31 PM

soviets never invaded poland in 1939, or any other year. nazis did, they never had a list of gun owners, there was no such list in 1939 poland, and it would not be needed anyway since nazis were going agains polish military. nobody from 1939 poland was sent to gulag,
not just that, you could have rifles and shotguns legaly in ussr up untill its collapse, one had to be regestered hunter, and could legaly owned (had to regester) a shotgun, anywhere in ussr, exseptions were siberia regions, where ppl were allowed to have sks carabine (assult rifle by usa standarts), and .22 rifles.  no handguns thou, only cops\army, and armed guards were allowed to carry pistols.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:33 PM

Just more feel-good BS that won't solve the real problem.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:37 PM

View Postaztek, on 07 January 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

soviets never invaded poland in 1939, or any other year. nazis did, they never had a list of gun owners, there was no such list in 1939 poland, and it would not be needed anyway since nazis were going agains polish military. nobody from 1939 poland was sent to gulag,
Absolutely frickin unbelievable!!!  What is the significance of the date 17 Sept, 1939?  The Soviets took control of the government offices which contained gun registration information and those that had a gun were considered a threat and were deported to Siberia.  I would like you to meet my Father-in-Law.  Please tell him that he didnít get shipped off to Siberia.  Tell him that he didnít lose hearing in one of his ears because of the cold.  Tell him that while they sojourned in Africa that he didnít get malaria.  Tell him that he didnít experience the hardships he did Ė and survived.  Please tell him that and see if you survive.  I donít recall the actual numbers but from about 1.3 million Poles sent to Siberia only about 400,000 thousand lived.  When I get home, I will post to youtube a film I have (if it isnít already there).  In fact, we were visiting him during Christmas and he had acquired another film called Katyn that we watched.  I canít begin to explain that film without going into a rage except that it is Polish made, so you have to read subtitles.  But itís about how the Polish officer corps and intelligentsia were dealt with.  So please, continue to tell me and the rest of us that it didnít happen Ė OK!  Iím going to voluntarily *snip* the rest.

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not just that, you could have rifles and shotguns legaly in ussr up untill its collapse, one had to be regestered hunter, and could legaly owned (had to regester) a shotgun, anywhere in ussr, exseptions were siberia regions, where ppl were allowed to have sks carabine (assult rifle by usa standarts), and .22 rifles.  no handguns thou, only cops\army, and armed guards were allowed to carry pistols.
And?  Poland wasnít Russian then.  You are so politically unaware.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:01 PM

Chicago hasn't fared so well with all their gun laws.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:04 PM

Gun Laws will never stop school/mass shootings.





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