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#1    Saru

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:49 AM

A Nobel Prize-winning physicist has devised the concept of a mysterious structure called a time crystal.

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In February 2012, the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Frank Wilczek decided to go public with a strange and, he worried, somewhat embarrassing idea. Impossible as it seemed, Wilczek had developed an apparent proof of “time crystals”.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:07 AM

let's hope the experimentalists can pull it off!
also suprised to find that they've managed to cool things down to a billionth of a degree K, that's a remarkable achievement!!
good luck to all concerned.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:10 PM

My grandad experemented with perpetual motion for years, sadly it drove him mad!


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

Lets hope that Experimental Physics is not perpetually hindered by this kind of comment (from the article) :

"I personally think it’s not possible to detect motion in the ground state,” Bruno said. “They may be able to make a ring of ions in a toroidal trap and do some interesting physics with that, but they will not see their ever-ticking clock as they claim.”

At least they are trying to prove or disprove their hypothesis through experimentation - what is Bruno's basis for what he says?

Edited by keithisco, 02 May 2013 - 02:27 PM.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:31 PM

Oh this is very very interesting! Looking forward to updates


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:09 PM

I would hope that all the energy to get perpetual motion started can be turned off after it starts, or what's the point.  Will this be able to creat limitless amounts of clean energy in the future?


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:40 PM

Where are Marty & Doc when you need them?


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:55 PM

View Postpaperdyer, on 02 May 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

I would hope that all the energy to get perpetual motion started can be turned off after it starts, or what's the point.  Will this be able to creat limitless amounts of clean energy in the future?

In short NO... this is not what their studies intend to show. Of course Zero-point energy is often related to limitless energy, but that energy comes from somewhere, perhaps leaching energy from a parallel Universe, in which case such extraction of energy may not be sympathetically received if it leads to a net deficit of energy in the Parallel Universe.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:29 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 02 May 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:


At least they are trying to prove or disprove their hypothesis through experimentation - what is Bruno's basis for what he says?
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he doesn't need any,
he's french.....
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:19 PM

Great article! I forwarded to a good friend of mine, realizing it's speculative at this point.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:30 PM

View Postpaperdyer, on 02 May 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

I would hope that all the energy to get perpetual motion started can be turned off after it starts, or what's the point.  Will this be able to creat limitless amounts of clean energy in the future?
Read the article :innocent:   This isn't about perpetual motion as source of energy.  It's about coming up with a new theory of time.  Not that I have a clue as to what he's talking about beyond that.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 08:55 PM

Right, It's about a study/experiment to further the understanding of "time"

Supposed perpetual motion, though mentioned in the article, is not the focus, but rather that's an inherent aspect of this phenomenon(if confirmed) and is essentially meaningless on such a small scale anyway with regards to usable power production(at this time)

The focus, rather, is whether or not such an experiment proves that "time" can be violated on such a small scale, as suggested by the author, which from what I gather would have major implications.

Recall, for those who might know, that "time violation" has already been observed around massive objects, but NOT small-scale objects.
This would be a first, and a very important one.

Too early to tell, of course, as the experiment has not yet been performed.

Best of luck to them !!!!

I just hope any "positive" results, if any, don't go "government super-secret"

Edited by pallidin, 02 May 2013 - 08:56 PM.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:07 PM

View Post95-Nasty, on 02 May 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

My grandad experemented with perpetual motion for years, sadly it drove him mad!
Hmmm ... maybe I should try it.  It might drive me sane. :-)

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 04:29 AM

Looks like this Nobel Prize winner has played the TimeSplitters trilogy.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 05:50 AM

i wonder if he goes by the name docter rick marshall, calls his crystals tackion, meets a primative have man half monkey companion when he creates a crystal amplifyer and travels sideways in time so he can defeat sleestaks and ride t rexes?





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