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#1231    DONTEATUS

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 03:09 PM

Sometimes it boggles the mind,Too think anyone on this world dosnt understand that we did land on the Moon,walk and bring back rocks from the Moon,take thousands of photos from the Moon,and actually have said actual proof of the the entire event,Well Its just insane ! It just goes to show you that some people are not quite all there on this Rock !
I say to these people,waist not others time with your inability to research,and enjoy the Real world. Better fine a dark cave to live your days out in ! It wont let you see the Light of Reality ! :tu:
p.s. And you will miss out on the Best Texas B.B.Q ever by doing so ! :whistle:

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 09:20 PM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 20 October 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

Sometimes it boggles the mind,Too think anyone on this world dosnt understand that we did land on the Moon,walk and bring back rocks from the Moon,take thousands of photos from the Moon,and actually have said actual proof of the the entire event,Well Its just insane ! It just goes to show you that some people are not quite all there on this Rock !

I can add no more to that, D!
Some people aren't quite all there on this rock!

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I say to these people,waist not others time with your inability to research,and enjoy the Real world. Better fine a dark cave to live your days out in ! It wont let you see the Light of Reality ! :tu:
p.s. And you will miss out on the Best Texas B.B.Q ever by doing so ! :whistle:

Missing Texas BBQ!!!...? :no: :cry: :no:

Trust me, I ain't missing that stuff!  I believe it!
If Texas BBQ's a reward for believeing in Apollo, I'll do it, even though I know we did Apollo!!

Edited by MID, 20 October 2012 - 09:24 PM.


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Posted 20 October 2012 - 10:19 PM

View Postturbonium, on 20 October 2012 - 03:27 AM, said:

"Happen"? Can you be more specific?


I know it's a complex issue, so I'll try to detail it.

I am not referring to the mechanics involved in pointing and focusing and pressing the appropriate button to expose the surface to the lens.

I was more inclined to how it was possible for their landing site to be photographed as I told you it was...well prior to them landing there,  in other words, how'd they get there to photograph where they were going to land?


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 05:27 AM

View PostMID, on 20 October 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

So what?
Who cares much about halos here, and how is such a naturally occurring thing seen to be significant to your idea on this stread--that the Moon landings were faked !! :cry: :no: :w00t: :td:   (yeeeaaah?!)?

But gee...The halos wouldn't be there if we hadn't landed on the Moon.  Indeed, they're there because we landed on the Moon.

Just wondred if you'd ever considered that rather obvious fact as you make this stuff up, and deliberately igore what you've been given on it.?

Let's recap what I've been "given on it", shall we?

View PostMID, on 29 September 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

Micro-fine particles are significant   because they allow thinner lsyers of material to be dispersed out, and to lay in dirsrupted layers, appearing , again (and why, I don't really know)  depending on lighting conditions and angle, as they do in many images we've shown from the surface, and from on orbit altitudes.This basic physical principal.

Self adherent particles make a difference in respect to the fact that they allow those crisp footprints to be created, and, they risist low energy disruptive blasts (like a LM DPS from hundreds of feet up ).  This results in a thinner dust sheet being dispursed as the craft descends.



Let's begin with a basic premise - that a distinct physical disturbance (ie:300m x 600m) on any Earth surface (rock, soil, sand, etc.)  - will be seen from both close-range and longer distance (ie: 1000 ft. alt.).


You have proposed a phenomenon which is unique to the moon's surface, which I refer to as your 'halo' phenomenon. You claim a distinct physical disturbance (ie:300m x 600m) can be seen from long-distance (ie: lunar orbit), but NOT (or not clearly) seen from close-range.

You claim this is because of the unique particles on the lunar surface , which are both "micro-fine" and "self adherent". Depending on lighting conditions and angle, the physical disturbance may 'disappear' entirely, or much less defined.

Now, let's return to your questions...

"Who cares much about halos here..?

I do.

"...and how is such a naturally occurring thing.."

Excuse me? What makes it a "a naturally occurring thing"??  Because you say so? That's all you have so far...

I'm still waiting for you to show me evidence that this 'halo' phenomenon is a "naturally occurring thing", MID!!!  

FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, I'M ASKING YOU AGAIN TO SHOW YOUR SOURCES, MID!!


"...seen to be significant to your idea on this stread--that the Moon landings were faked?"

It's quite simple to understand the significance of it.

So far, you've not proven this phenomenon, or "naturally occurring thing", actually exists (that's why I keep asking you for sources on it). Unless you finally do come up with those sources, we must conclude it is a failed, unsubstantiated claim.  

You can preach all you want about it with your gigantic fonts, it's still a failed argument without genuine sources.

Now, if this phenomenon doesn't exist, which seems to be the case, then we must conclude that the Apollo surface images were faked. We know from orbit images that a distinct physical disturbance exists in the exact location where the Apollo 15 LM (supposedly) landed.

Since the Apollo close-up images don't show the disturbance, and your supposed phenomenon doesn't exist, it means the Apollo images are not from the lunar surface.


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 06:11 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 20 October 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

Sometimes it boggles the mind,Too think anyone on this world dosnt understand that we did land on the Moon,walk and bring back rocks from the Moon,take thousands of photos from the Moon,and actually have said actual proof of the the entire event,Well Its just insane ! It just goes to show you that some people are not quite all there on this Rock !
I say to these people,waist not others time with your inability to research,and enjoy the Real world. Better fine a dark cave to live your days out in ! It wont let you see the Light of Reality ! :tu:
p.s. And you will miss out on the Best Texas B.B.Q ever by doing so ! :whistle:

I heard that!!

KEEP YOUR MACH UP AND CHECK SIX

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 07:01 AM

View PostMID, on 14 October 2012 - 03:02 PM, said:

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A picture for turb:

This shows the Apollo 15 landing site, at Hadley Rille, before Dave Scott and Jim Irwin landed there.

Beautiful shot.

How did pictures like this happen?

Like this...

The accompanying NASA photo, shows a portion of the plaster-of-paris landing site model used during training simulations. The area shown is centered on the landing target and shows Cone Crater at the lower right. My thanks to Journal Contributor David Harland who noticed that this is not a photo taken from lunar orbit.

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Beautiful shot. It compares quite well to your image.

I'm sure someone would try accusing me of cherry-picking, so here's the rest of the paragraph...

Compare with the corresponding mosaic of Lunar Orbiter strips.

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So we have 3 images. We already know one is a fake. And it sure looks like the other two are fakes also.

I liked this part...

My thanks to Journal Contributor David Harland who noticed that this is not a photo taken from lunar orbit

So everybody else - including all the 'experts' at NASA - thought it was a 'genuine' Apollo 14 photo. Later on, this guy said it's a fake, and everybody changes their view of it!!

Beautiful. Just beautifu;/ :clap:


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 02:36 PM

View PostMID, on 20 October 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

I can add no more to that, D!
Some people aren't quite all there on this rock!

The moon hoax folks have proven just how easy they can be duped and proven time after time as they post and I don't think they understand the significance of photographs taken of the  Apollo landing sites by the astronauts and other countries. In other words, the photographs alone disproves their argument right from the get-go!

MythBusters, have trashed their idea the moon missions were hoaxed.




Edited by skyeagle409, 21 October 2012 - 03:02 PM.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:29 PM

To me, the most interesting thing about claims that the Apollo missions were faked, is that it turns the debunkers against each other so we see debunkers being debunked.

At the heart of science is an essential balance between two seemingly contradictory attitudes--an openness to new ideas, no matter how bizarre or counterintuitive they may be, and the most ruthless skeptical scrutiny of all ideas, old and new.
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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:59 PM

View Postturbonium, on 21 October 2012 - 05:27 AM, said:

Now, if this phenomenon doesn't exist, which seems to be the case, then we must conclude that the Apollo surface images were faked. We know from orbit images that a distinct physical disturbance exists in the exact location where the Apollo 15 LM (supposedly) landed.

Since the Apollo close-up images don't show the disturbance, and your supposed phenomenon doesn't exist, it means the Apollo images are not from the lunar surface.

oH, OK!
got it, finally!


Your inimitable logic, lack of subject matter knowledge,  and imagination, create another colorful imaginary scenario for us to simply accept,,,

Apollo 15 eh?


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THOSE WIRES, IN ALL 3 OF THESE SEQUENTIAL STILLS TAKEN OF  DAVE and  JIM, ARE JUST PERFECTLY HIDDEN, EH?
...just like they were in 1950 movies (and you were around for those too???), when lighting and backgrounds like this (high contrast, bright direct sunlighting always) had never been seen before and wouldn't be seen live for another 19 years?

They're not even producing the slightest evidence of holding him up...no connection points or hardware visible...not a trace of the rigging necessary to support him, not a single shadow.  No disruption in the slightest of the mountain or the terrain aft of Jim's position.

NASA photo guys did that perfection work?  When?
Certainly not when the stuff was being broadcast live on TV?

You obviously weren't around for that TV, which was as spectacular as the photos above were.  And it only got better, if that's fathomable (I'm aware it probably isn't to you!).  Apollo 15 through 17 had amazing TV from the lunar surface (or, I suppose, from some sound stage in Hollywood, or out at Area 51, or some secret place like that!).

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Nice contribution, turb.
Made perfect sense to me.
Now...to go do more important things!


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:21 PM

View Postturbonium, on 21 October 2012 - 07:01 AM, said:


Unsatisfactory.  If you're going to make things up, it's best to actually answer the question while doing so.  It makes incorrect answers seem like they're atleast delivered with a modicum of sincerety.


I asked you how the photo was made, not about photos of models of a fake lunar surface used in simulators, or about pictures of the Moon  that aren't showing Hadley Rille.  I was sopeaking directly to a photo taken of the Apollo 15 landing area by the men who would be landing there.

The fact is, the photo was made by a rather expensive Hasselblad 500C pointed by a man  through a small window  in an amazing spacecraft that was on orbit around the Moon in July, 1971.  That spacecraft got their by the favors of a fine Saturn V launch vehicle and a very fine S4-B third stage that put the spacecraft on a very precise trajectory to lunar orbit insertion.

I was just getting at the degree of your actual knowledge and the extent you'd go to to post nonsense again.

It worked.  But, it's boring and there's not much more to say to you.  I hoped for a bit better than this, but alas...no chance!


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 04:36 PM

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Not even shadows of cables, or rigging, or any evidence of the cables pulling on the suit in any way!

Amazing photo alterations!
I'd love to meet the people who did that stuff!...

...(well, I probably did meet them at one time or another, but they didn't actually alter any photos. (They'd probably have at least looked at me funny, or had me locked up by Mission Operations Brass and recommended psychological treatment if I had!)  They basically developed the film according to established photographic methods for developing film...kind of like they do it today. And, the pictures were outstanding, and showed exactly what was photographed, as they were taken, tghrough perhaps the finest land camera on the planet.


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 08:45 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 21 October 2012 - 03:29 PM, said:

To me, the most interesting thing about claims that the Apollo missions were faked, is that it turns the debunkers against each other so we see debunkers being debunked.

To me the most damning thing about people who jump onto threads and make throwaway, unsupported, handwaving generalisations, is that it reveals them for their 'methods'...

If a SERIOUS person was to make such claims, they would be SPECIFIC and give examples and refutations.

Synchronomy, please show us how serious you are, and give those specifics.  Or you could withdraw the remarks and apologise, if you'd rather.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 10:18 PM

i guess I was right!


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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:45 AM

Waist of broad ban ! :gun:

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Posted 23 October 2012 - 02:52 AM

View PostChrlzs, on 22 October 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

To me the most damning thing about people who jump onto threads and make throwaway, unsupported, handwaving generalisations, is that it reveals them for their 'methods'...

If a SERIOUS person was to make such claims, they would be SPECIFIC and give examples and refutations.

Synchronomy, please show us how serious you are, and give those specifics.  Or you could withdraw the remarks and apologise, if you'd rather.
The Mythbusters video is attempting to debunk the debunkers theories that Moon landings were faked.

At the heart of science is an essential balance between two seemingly contradictory attitudes--an openness to new ideas, no matter how bizarre or counterintuitive they may be, and the most ruthless skeptical scrutiny of all ideas, old and new.
This is how deep truths are winnowed from deep nonsense. -- Carl Sagan