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#1    Saru

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:08 AM

Newly declassified files have provided new insight in to the reason the MoD stopped looking in to UFOs.

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The Ministry of Defence closed its UFO desk because it served "no defence purpose" and was taking staff away from "more valuable defence-related activities", newly released files show.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:15 AM

Which suggests one of two things, doesn't it; either that the MOD really do know the truth about UFOs, and knows without doubt what they are, or, and possibly more likely, that Nick Pope and the "X-Files Desk" was only ever a front , which was designed to give the impression that the MOD wasn't really that interested, while of course the real investigation of the UFO Phenomenon went on behind the scens, and is of course still going on.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:45 AM

The MOD UFO Desk was always a one-way interface to procure and collate reports from the public and civilian/amateur UFO groups, never more so than during Pope's paper-pushing tenure.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:48 AM

From the article:  
"A report from a man from Cardiff who claimed a UFO abducted his dog, and took his car and tent, while he was camping with friends in 2007"
That guy had one hell of a weekend.  Those pesky aliens, they cross interstellar space and turn out to be nothing but common thieves and dog nappers.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:03 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 21 June 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

Which suggests one of two things, doesn't it; either that the MOD really do know the truth about UFOs, and knows without doubt what they are, or, and possibly more likely, that Nick Pope and the "X-Files Desk" was only ever a front , which was designed to give the impression that the MOD wasn't really that interested, while of course the real investigation of the UFO Phenomenon went on behind the scens, and is of course still going on.
umm, those are the only two possibilities you could come up with?  Where's Occam when we need him..

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:23 AM

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The intelligence gatherers must have decided that any 'visitors' popping in indeed pose no threat to the military or defence.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:03 PM

View PostChrlzs, on 21 June 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

umm, those are the only two possibilities you could come up with?  Where's Occam when we need him..
So the more likely possibility is what, in your view? That the MOD have concluded that UFOs are nothing for them to be concerned about? That would surely imply that they must know what they all- all of them - are. Really, does that seem likely to you?

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:18 PM

it's more likely the MOD shut it down due to budget cuts


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 12:56 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 21 June 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:

So the more likely possibility is what, in your view?
What the article says...  And as the UFO/ET sections of this forum show quite well, the simple fact is that the vast majority of ufo's are explainable, and those that are left unexplained or even vaguely interesting, are of no real interest as they are no threat to anyone or anything.

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That the MOD have concluded that UFOs are nothing for them to be concerned about?
Yes.  Or to be a little more accurate, they have explained most of them (and some no doubt are still threats, like lightning damaging a plane's avionics..) and the number of remaining, truly unidentified things is very low indeed, and doesn't contain anything worthy of having a special branch..  (And I'd hazard a guess that Nick Pope didn't exactly help to make that branch seem worthwhile... - sorry Nick, but it has to be said..)

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That would surely imply that they must know what they all- all of them - are.
All?  That's silly.  So no, it most certainly does not.  Just from one viewpoint - there are many natural atmospheric phenomena we don't understand (ask any storm expert about lightning & ball lightning, sprites, plasma, and the like).  Then consider the human perception problem, and the huge past incentive to drum up the-aliens-are-coming bull to ensure higher levels of defence spending.  Those days are over - there is too much science and good recording technology around nowadays for pilots to get away with making up stories.

So what's left?  Nothing of interest.  If you have anything new, let us know..

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Really, does that seem likely to you?
Ah, no, of course not.  I forgot, gubmints are ebil and they always lie about everything, even when they tell the truth... Happy?

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:30 PM

As it has been confirmed in the Disclosure project and the 2013 Citizen Hearing on Disclosure, these craft, whatever their origin, are capable of disabling dozens of nuclear missiles simultaneously. They have been documented to do so mid-air as well. The accounts are numerous and confirmed by a high number of military personnel, retired and active, high ranking and low-ranking. And the MoD says they are not a threat. And I'm sure these can be explained away as natural phenomena. You know what? Call them natural, I don't care, these are labels we like to stick on stuff. Point is, there is something going on and it needs further investigations, because the bottom line is, and let's be honest and humble here for a change, we don't understand what's going on, what or who they are, why they are here, why they do the things they do, how they do it, etc. You can't keep shouting swamp gas and weather balloons all the time, coupled with mass hallucinations and mental problems, and ignore all the abductions, mutilations, radiation, multiple radar tracks, foreign materials with weird properties, and now this Atacama humanoid, not to mention crop circles and the like. If it was one or two of these then the alternative explanations (in this case the natural ones) could be considered a possibility, but all this stuff all together? You can't just ignore the testimonies of all these jet fighters and nuclear silo military officers. Ben Rich wasn't exaggerating.

Edited by Rolci, 21 June 2013 - 02:55 PM.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:37 PM

View PostChrlzs, on 21 June 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

What the article says... And as the UFO/ET sections of this forum show quite well, the simple fact is that the vast majority of ufo's are explainable, and those that are left unexplained or even vaguely interesting, are of no real interest as they are no threat to anyone or anything.


Yes. Or to be a little more accurate, they have explained most of them (and some no doubt are still threats, like lightning damaging a plane's avionics..) and the number of remaining, truly unidentified things is very low indeed, and doesn't contain anything worthy of having a special branch.. (And I'd hazard a guess that Nick Pope didn't exactly help to make that branch seem worthwhile... - sorry Nick, but it has to be said..)


All? That's silly. So no, it most certainly does not. Just from one viewpoint - there are many natural atmospheric phenomena we don't understand (ask any storm expert about lightning & ball lightning, sprites, plasma, and the like). Then consider the human perception problem, and the huge past incentive to drum up the-aliens-are-coming bull to ensure higher levels of defence spending. Those days are over - there is too much science and good recording technology around nowadays for pilots to get away with making up stories.

So what's left? Nothing of interest. If you have anything new, let us know..


Ah, no, of course not. I forgot, gubmints are ebil and they always lie about everything, even when they tell the truth... Happy?
:rolleyes: . I'm not one of those " gubmints are ebil " people, for heaven's sake. Is that the best your argument can come down to? I am, however, one of those "gubmints wouldn't be competent to organise a nice cup of tea" people, and my point was that the likelihood of the Ministry of Defence knowing all there is to know about the subject of UFOs does not seem very likely to me.
And they do lie as a matter of routine, surely you're not naive enough to think that they don't, only their lies are usually to cover up their lack of knowledge and/or that they've cocked up again, not because they know the Truth and they're covering it up.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 02:55 PM

View PostChrlzs, on 21 June 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

Those days are over - there is too much science and good recording technology around nowadays for pilots to get away with making up stories.

I'm glad you brought that up. However it saddens me to see people being so gullible as to believe that these recording technologies are set up in a way that they will tell us everything we want to know about UFOs. If you HAD done any research you would've found out that all this "too much science and good recording technology" is set up in a very specific way. To give you a clue I recommend you watch a video in which Senator Bartlett and Congressman Cook ask FAA's John Callahan and USAF's Maj. George Filer: Hope this helps a little.

Edited by Rolci, 21 June 2013 - 03:19 PM.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:28 PM

View PostRolci, on 21 June 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

As it has been confirmed in the Disclosure project and the 2013 Citizen Hearing on Disclosure, these craft, whatever their origin, are capable of disabling dozens of nuclear missiles simultaneously. They have been documented to do so mid-air as well. The accounts are numerous and confirmed by a high number of military personnel, retired and active, high ranking and low-ranking. And the MoD says they are not a threat. And I'm sure these can be explained away as natural phenomena. You know what? Call them natural, I don't care, these are labels we like to stick on stuff. Point is, there is something going on and it needs further investigations, because the bottom line is, and let's be honest and humble here for a change, we don't understand what's going on, what or who they are, why they are here, why they do the things they do, how they do it, etc. You can't keep shouting swamp gas and weather balloons all the time, coupled with mass hallucinations and mental problems, and ignore all the abductions, mutilations, radiation, multiple radar tracks, foreign materials with weird properties, and now this Atacama humanoid, not to mention crop circles and the like. If it was one or two of these then the alternative explanations (in this case the natural ones) could be considered a possibility, but all this stuff all together? You can't just ignore the testimonies of all these jet fighters and nuclear silo military officers. Ben Rich wasn't exaggerating.
Where is the documentation of UFOs disabling nuclear missles?


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:02 PM

I thought it interesting that...

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"The level of resources diverted to this task is increasing in response to a recent upsurge in reported sightings, diverting staff from more valuable defence-related activities."

So when an area needs more people to help investigate phenomena/reports, the better thing to do is close it down?

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:35 PM

View Postpaperdyer, on 21 June 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

Where is the documentation of UFOs disabling nuclear missles?

Nowadays it's hard to figure out for what purpose any such superficial enquiry is made. Hoping the one source someone gives out of the thousands will be one the asker will be all to happy to attack and point out the questionable nature of? Anyway, have you tried google? I'm sure if you do proper research you will find what you're looking for. I could recommend the April 30th afternoon session of the Citizen Hearing. Great starting point for anyone. The testimonies of Capt. Robert Salas and Capt. David Schindele in particular. Don't forget, these men were sworn to secrecy. Do you think the military will publish the results of such investigations? All we have is videos, quite a few of those, good enough for some.

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