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#1    diablo_04

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:27 PM

I have to note that English is not my first language and probably I'll make spelling and grammar mistakes.

A few months ago, a had a idea or theory grow in my mind and it was stuck with me. I don't believe this theory to be true, its only a theory and i wanna share it with you all.

Its simple Ghost don't exist. I can't see why only few can stay on earth as ghost and other go to hell or heaven?

The mostly used explanation is that thees people have unfinished stuff, so that's why there are still present on this earth.
My logic cant accept this as an answer. Every one who has died or will die, will have unfinished stuff that will prevent them passing on. Its not like you know when you will die and put everything in order so you can die with out unfinished businesses.

And if the ghost have unfinished stuff to do, how he/she will let say do the stuff so he/she move on. Its not like we have "mediums" in every street to help them move on, so I'm guessing there should be more ghost than living human beings.

If, i mean if ghost exist, i believe they are jinns or demons.
In the Muslim folklore jinns are sharing this earth with us, there are good an evil jinns. jinns have the capabilities of reading our minds. So my theory is that jinns or demons are playing with us, reading someone mind and pretending as someone that person died just to cause pain and more suffering. That's why ghost can appear like someone you know and has died an has all the recollections that you have, its make more sense to me that the original idea about ghost.

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#2    Alekx

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:48 PM

  • You have a valid point about ghosts been souls of people with unfinished business and I agree with that part. Im not quite sure about jinns and demons but I heard that theory too
  • Another theory I have found on other sources is that ghosts are projections of the past, involving wormholes and dimensions crossing, this theory says that when a ghost is sighted, it is actually a projection of a past "image" which is a product of a time slip, this theory also involves the theory that ghosts need electromagnetic energy to make an effect on our dimension.

  • Another theory that I can remember is one that states that they're only an illusion created by neural slip ( not an actual term in this theory)

  • Another one states that they are humans or another versions of ourselves from a parallel dimension, witnessed by us because of dimensions overlapping sometimes. Note that this would imply making us visible to them too.

  • About your own theory, although I agree with being contradictory to say they have unfinished business, what would you think about them not being able to know how to proceed into another realm? This idea is not part of my own belief but i'd like to hear your opinion.
  • IMO I still welcome all ideas from differente sources that would make sense to create my own final conclusion, I have an open mind with healthy criticism



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:37 AM

Manifestations of a grave sort, I'd say.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:07 PM

I agree and disagree with your theory. My theory however is that Ghosts are actually a new type of living creature, that needs Electricity to survive and thrive.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 04:17 PM

Ghosts do exist, I've seen one and don't think she was a jinn, demon or just in my head.  I think the ghost of animals or people stick around because they died suddenly and unexpectedly.  Doesn't necessarily mean they will stick around for long.  I also think some spirits come back for another round at life and some don't want to do that again, once was enough.


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:22 PM

I have had this thought too. I did change my mind because I have had a few of my own experiences that convince me otherwise. We all might have unfinished business, but some have more unfinished business than others. Especially if someone dies in a tragic way or feels much regret. Some spirits have not lived the ideal life or made the right decisions so I think they are afraid to go towards the light. I also feel some spirits are confused and still think they are alive. I know it sounds crazy, but it's just my opinion. I also think there are demons out there that do toy with us especially when we are most vulnerable.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 04:58 AM

I don't agree with your theory. I think it is logically easier to believe that when we die we move to spirit form, operating at a higher vibration. I believe that soon after people die there is a period of transition, in which they can communicate more easily with the earthly plane - in other words, their vibration is slow enough to come through with messages and signs to the people they left behind - which is why many people report experiencing after death communication with loved ones soon after they pass. Over time, however, those spirits usually move into a higher vibration beyond, also known as the white 'light' that many people who have had near-death experiences report on.

Often places that are reported to be haunted are places where there has been traumatic or sudden passings, such as in suicide or murder. These places have a lot of strange happenings, objects moving/poltergeists, apparitions, EVPs, etc. I don't know whether these spirits are more present because they have stayed behind and not moved into the light due to their trauma or if they are returning and returning to the place they died to work through those issues. Either way, I think that after most people die, they go into 'the light' aka 'heaven'  and they can come back and visit any time and or see what is happening here with their families and even hear our thoughts. I base this theory on personal after-death communication messages I received, affirming medium messages that brought comfort (not deceit) and answered prayers.

Is it possible your theory might be based on religious upbringing based on some fear of ghosts? Remember, after Jesus died he was reportedly seen many times by his disciples and loved ones soon after his resurrection. He said 'do not touch me for I have not yet risen to the father' Though we all one day shed this mortal coil, it is comforting to know that our thoughts, memories, conscious minds and personalities live on in another, perhaps even better form.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 10:03 PM

So, there's no such thing as ghosts, but Jinns?

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 03:26 AM

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My logic cant accept this as an answer. Every one who has died or will die, will have unfinished stuff that will prevent them passing on. Its not like you know when you will die and put everything in order so you can die with out unfinished businesses.

And if the ghost have unfinished stuff to do, how he/she will let say do the stuff so he/she move on. Its not like we have "mediums" in every street to help them move on, so I'm guessing there should be more ghost than living human beings.

If, i mean if ghost exist, i believe they are jinns or demons.
In the Muslim folklore jinns are sharing this earth with us, there are good an evil jinns. jinns have the capabilities of reading our minds. So my theory is that jinns or demons are playing with us, reading someone mind and pretending as someone that person died just to cause pain and more suffering. That's why ghost can appear like someone you know and has died an has all the recollections that you have, its make more sense to me that the original idea about ghost.
    Diablo, glad to see a perspective from another religion.  First the ghost theories.  I tend to believe that people are as varied as the number of stars in the sky.  We each have our own destiny/issues/strengths/weaknesses.  We each have an "assignment" here in order to grow.  Death is as personal as life is.  So if in life you are in denial about a lot of stuff, you might tend to deny you have died also.  I think a lot of hauntings are this.  Other hauntings may be people coming back to help, or sew up unfinished business by affecting the living in certain ways.  And on and on.  Some people are so mentally insane in life that this may be another reason they don't know they're dead.  They simply are so checked out the don't even notice when their body stops working.  As to jinns, this I think is a whole other deal.  Or may have some crossover.  Anyway, it's true IMHO that there are entities that push and pull men and women every which way.  It explains a lot actually, these influences on people day in and day out.  Great topic.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:22 PM

I do agree with your theory that some mischief making spirits, or entities can play tricks. Often they manifest when someone's dabbled in the occult, such as the ouija board. Often though, there are different types of "ghosts". Some have been shown to be the spirit of a deceased person, just returning to their former home. Some people feel a sense of warmth. So it isn't always scary. There are also "recordings" like echoes of history replaying, when people can hear things going on like ancient battles. Some people have witnessed "ghost" machines like airplanes, trains, busses and cars. Usually some hauntings are associated with unsettled spirits. When bodies and skeletons have been found, or once the identity of a spirit is discovered, the ghostly activity stops.

While you can associate ghosts with demons and telepathic entities messing around with our heads, don't forget that there are spirits who've

. given clues and info to living people
. wanted to be discovered
. brought comfort
. sent messages in response to those asking for a sign.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:58 PM

One thing I don't get about ghosts is that they hang around where they died and generally in the same clothes and are the same age with the same physical impairments.  I would think I would get up and see the world, at a minimum, and get myself something nice to wear, and maybe at least clean myself up.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 02:58 PM

Well see, that's the thing Frank, they're just stuck.  People who are insane get stuck too.  In fact many people I know who are sane are really some hardcore slaves to routine.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 04:35 PM

if  you will grant  a few  things...  this  will  make sense .

first  that  travel  from  a  future  time  ...  into  a past  time  is  posable .

in the  future , technology  will  improve  or  become   advanced ,  or  as  very  least  provide  greater capablitys .

humans  do  not  need  to have  the  ablity ,  but  our  future  offspring  will  have  the  ablity  to  past  travel.

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if  you can  travel  to  the  past ,  any  enemy  you have ,can be  removed  before  they  exsist .

if  a  enemy  past  travels ....  and  then  you  remove  their  parent...   the  being  who  is  traveling  will  be  a paradox ,  and  must  distroy  your   parent  or  die , before your   child  distroys  their   sourse  parent in  a travel  to  the  past .

the  result  of  a  past traveling paradox  will  be  a traveler  who  is  bound  by  the  laws  of  time  travel ,  but  is   displaced to  order  and  spending  its  energy  as  it  goes  to  the  past...  so  that  when  it arrives  it  is  gone (  because  it  never  did  exsist)

displaced  to  order   is  to  say...   it  had  no  effect  on  the  time  line , so  some aspects  will  be  non-sense ,  out  of  place or  with  out conceptual  foundation .


aw...   gravity  will  go  backwards ,  light  will  go  from  it  to  the  sun  , it  will  chill  the  air  .
but  only  part  of  it...   the  part  traveling  will  be  invisable  and  normal...
so...  you  have  a repeater .
if  the  past  traveler  is  desprite ,  it  can  try  to  change  your current  history ,  to  save  itself ...
but  more  likly  it  will  burn  itself  out  and  not  simply  not  know  who  it  is...  but  forget  everything ...
so...  you  have  interactive ghosts...

you can  also  have  people  caught  in  the   event  horizon ...   who  were  ,  but  now  the  time  line  is  changed  and  they  are  as  much  gone  as  the  traveler....   as  much  here  as  the traveler ...
not  gone , but  not  dead ....

Edited by onereaderone, 14 April 2013 - 04:48 PM.


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 05:54 PM

OK...Nice to see some constructive thinking on this one.

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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:42 PM

View PostMurk, on 14 April 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

OK...Nice to see some constructive thinking on this one.
Think the keyboard is broken.
I don't think it an illusion, if so then its a pretty huge one. One thing bothers me is why animals like dogs are able sense things that Humans cannot hear or see?





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