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#16    Sir Wearer of Hats

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 10:41 PM

View PostCorp, on 03 July 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

And when looking at things in a historical context sixty-seven years without a major war is a period of peace unheard of in centuries.
Well tonnes of "minor" wars though, plus a rather major "cold" war that eclipsed the World Wars in scale.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 10:50 PM

What would the world be without its doomsayers...


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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:44 PM

View PostJiggins, on 03 July 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

What would the world be without its doomsayers...

It is not necessarily doomsaying.

It is common sense..

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 05:54 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 03 July 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

Well tonnes of "minor" wars though, plus a rather major "cold" war that eclipsed the World Wars in scale.
is it not amazing when you put  it into perspective?

The 'evil empire' is gone but the evil is not.
20 years after we were promised a 'peace dividend' we are still being owed.
Why? One guy (bin Laden) and his followers, hardly. US secret government? Why?


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Posted 04 July 2012 - 10:56 AM

View PostCorp, on 03 July 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:



And when looking at things in a historical context sixty-seven years without a major war is a period of peace unheard of in centuries. I mean at the very least someone should be attacking France or dividing up Italy by now.


Anyway to follow with the theme of the thread:  DOOM!

Depends on your perception of "minor" and "peace". The balkans, Rwanda, Irak, Afghanistan, USA 9/11, Lybia,.......one can only wish that this "peace" never happened because where is then the point of having a war?


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Posted 04 July 2012 - 05:16 PM

View PostDrayno, on 03 July 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:



It is not necessarily doomsaying.

It is common sense..

Common sense that there will be major war in the future? Sure. But Obamacare being an indication of a coming one? Sheer idiocy.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:11 PM

View PostDrayno, on 03 July 2012 - 11:44 PM, said:

It is common sense..

There is no such thing. You may as well talk about religion or philosophy.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:51 PM

View PostCradle of Fish, on 04 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Common sense that there will be major war in the future? Sure. But Obamacare being an indication of a coming one? Sheer idiocy.

I have respect for the King Crimson avatar.

No, I do not agree that Obamacare is an indication of a coming war. Nor many of the reasons provided in the first post.

@ninjadude - So it is not common sense that, by the nature of humanity, and our inherent need to gain, consolidate power, there will be war? So it is not common sense that the more our natural resources dwindle, we shall further compete, and politicial tensions shall rise? So it is not common sense that war is a game for politicians? So it is not common sense that war is imminent?

Regardless of what you say does and does not matter - just about every aspect of this reality will matter at some point in our perceived time, in our personal lives, or on a larger scale, if those aspects have not influenced things already.

Speaking of philosophy, I will discuss philosophy. If it were not for philosophy, America would not exist.

If Voltaire, Rousseau, Locke, Montesquieu or any other enlightenment age thinker had not championed the ideas of the renaissance, translating them to a then-contemporary context, our founding fathers would have had no basis for the concept of our good Republic.

Edited by Drayno, 04 July 2012 - 08:57 PM.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:05 AM

View PostDrayno, on 04 July 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

@ninjadude - So it is not common sense that, by the nature of humanity, and our inherent need to gain, consolidate power, there will be war? So it is not common sense that the more our natural resources dwindle, we shall further compete, and politicial tensions shall rise? So it is not common sense that war is a game for politicians? So it is not common sense that war is imminent?

Regardless of what you say does and does not matter - just about every aspect of this reality will matter at some point in our perceived time, in our personal lives, or on a larger scale, if those aspects have not influenced things already.

World population seems like driving toward a cliff with no brakes, just like US debt and US contingency debt.


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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:08 PM

View PostDrayno, on 03 July 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

And the Pax Romana existed for two hundred years..

Then the Crisis of the Third Century occurred.

For peace to exist, war must happen. For war to happen, there must be peace.

The Pax Romana saw invasions, rebellions, and civil wars a plenty. And during this time there was plenty of blood following in China and other parts of the world.

And of course you need war for peace and vis versa, with them being opposites and all. Doesn't mean WW3 is going to happen any day now.

View PostWearer of Hats, on 03 July 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

Well tonnes of "minor" wars though, plus a rather major "cold" war that eclipsed the World Wars in scale.

True but normally by now some major world powers should have thrown down by now. Instead they're all getting along, to verying degrees. No major war is in the works right now.

View Postodas, on 04 July 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

Depends on your perception of "minor" and "peace". The balkans, Rwanda, Irak, Afghanistan, USA 9/11, Lybia,.......one can only wish that this "peace" never happened because where is then the point of having a war?

We don't have cities being wiped off the map, major country devoting all their resources towards war, dozens of countries being pulled into long and bloody fights, and thousand of soldiers being killed in a single day. Since the end of the Second World War no major powers have directly gone to war. The conflicts have either been regional with major players staying neutral or have been one sided with a powerful nation (or a collection of them) fighting a single weak nation. The wars we're dealing with today are no where near the scale of the wars that tend to break out every generation in human history.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse...A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:29 PM

View PostCorp, on 05 July 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:



The Pax Romana saw invasions, rebellions, and civil wars a plenty. And during this time there was plenty of blood following in China and other parts of the world.

And of course you need war for peace and vis versa, with them being opposites and all. Doesn't mean WW3 is going to happen any day now.



True but normally by now some major world powers should have thrown down by now. Instead they're all getting along, to verying degrees. No major war is in the works right now.



We don't have cities being wiped off the map, major country devoting all their resources towards war, dozens of countries being pulled into long and bloody fights, and thousand of soldiers being killed in a single day. Since the end of the Second World War no major powers have directly gone to war. The conflicts have either been regional with major players staying neutral or have been one sided with a powerful nation (or a collection of them) fighting a single weak nation. The wars we're dealing with today are no where near the scale of the wars that tend to break out every generation in human history.

For a person who is in the mid of a war it does not matter if this war is regional or global. My grandfather was born during wwl. Global war but for him it was in his reagon. He was killed during wwll and my father was only a couple of months old. So there is already two generations conected by war regional or global. Now, I experienced the balkan wars as did my two older children. So there are now 4 generations back to back experiensing A war, global or regional, does not matter. That is a stretch of about 80 years. I know if you are in the USA or Canada then, yes, it was a kind of a peace since wwll but if you are in europe, middle east, africa well, then not so much.


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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:29 PM

View PostCorp, on 05 July 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:

We don't have cities being wiped off the map, major country devoting all their resources towards war, dozens of countries being pulled into long and bloody fights, and thousand of soldiers being killed in a single day. Since the end of the Second World War no major powers have directly gone to war. The conflicts have either been regional with major players staying neutral or have been one sided with a powerful nation (or a collection of them) fighting a single weak nation. The wars we're dealing with today are no where near the scale of the wars that tend to break out every generation in human history.

Here is the challenge: what do you see when you look into the future? If you use the credit score argument, having paid your bills in the past, the bank will lend you money you cannot afford, then you would figure that the world will continue to manage as it does now. But if a major war breaks out every generation, then we are overdue.


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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:30 PM

View PostCorp, on 05 July 2012 - 04:08 PM, said:



The Pax Romana saw invasions, rebellions, and civil wars a plenty. And during this time there was plenty of blood following in China and other parts of the world.

And of course you need war for peace and vis versa, with them being opposites and all. Doesn't mean WW3 is going to happen any day now.



True but normally by now some major world powers should have thrown down by now. Instead they're all getting along, to verying degrees. No major war is in the works right now.



We don't have cities being wiped off the map, major country devoting all their resources towards war, dozens of countries being pulled into long and bloody fights, and thousand of soldiers being killed in a single day. Since the end of the Second World War no major powers have directly gone to war. The conflicts have either been regional with major players staying neutral or have been one sided with a powerful nation (or a collection of them) fighting a single weak nation. The wars we're dealing with today are no where near the scale of the wars that tend to break out every generation in human history.

For a person who is in the mid of a war it does not matter if this war is regional or global. My grandfather was born during wwl. Global war but for him it was in his reagon. He was killed during wwll and my father was only a couple of months old. So there is already two generations conected by war regional or global. Now, I experienced the balkan wars as did my two older children. So there are now 4 generations back to back experiensing A war, global or regional, does not matter. That is a stretch of about 80 years. I know if you are in the USA or Canada then, yes, it was a kind of a peace since wwll but if you are in europe, middle east, africa well, then not so much.


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Posted 05 July 2012 - 05:19 PM

View PostCradle of Fish, on 04 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Common sense that there will be major war in the future? Sure. But Obamacare being an indication of a coming one? Sheer idiocy.
Obamacare is not an indication of a coming war.  It is the Socialism that is in the leadership position and if it remains will be the indication of the coming big wars.  American Hegemony has kept the big wars at bay for the past 60 years or so.  When this bubble erodes enough, then you will see a big war.  Socialism erodes this bubble internally as Islam will erode it externally.  Islam is absolutely insidious.  And both these powers will place stress on America that she will eventually buckle.  Just as Rome fell from constant combined attacks from the inside and the outside, America is close behind.

We have history on our side.  And I believe in American Exceptionalism and that our best days are ahead of us.  Do we learn from history now or later or at all?  Our Founding Fathers took the lessons of the past and gave us something special.  Now we are in danger of losing it.  The one lesson that our Founding Fathers could not pass on was how to keep it.  This is something we must do for ourselves.  People have grown soft because they do not understand what freedom lost means and that allows Socialism to creep into our system.  They take their freedom for granted, that it will always be there.  They don’t realize that it requires a price to maintain.  I think that the elections in 124 days will be the indicator.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 06:35 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 05 July 2012 - 05:19 PM, said:

Obamacare is not an indication of a coming war.  It is the Socialism that is in the leadership position and if it remains will be the indication of the coming big wars.  American Hegemony has kept the big wars at bay for the past 60 years or so.  When this bubble erodes enough, then you will see a big war.  Socialism erodes this bubble internally as Islam will erode it externally.  Islam is absolutely insidious.  And both these powers will place stress on America that she will eventually buckle.  Just as Rome fell from constant combined attacks from the inside and the outside, America is close behind.

We have history on our side.  And I believe in American Exceptionalism and that our best days are ahead of us.  Do we learn from history now or later or at all?  Our Founding Fathers took the lessons of the past and gave us something special.  Now we are in danger of losing it.  The one lesson that our Founding Fathers could not pass on was how to keep it.  This is something we must do for ourselves.  People have grown soft because they do not understand what freedom lost means and that allows Socialism to creep into our system.  They take their freedom for granted, that it will always be there.  They don’t realize that it requires a price to maintain.  I think that the elections in 124 days will be the indicator.

I believe we have lost it already. Obama will win, even if it requires voter fraud, subsequent demonstrations will be suppressed with the help of FEMA. I am not saying this because I don't like Obama. It was Dick Cheney who was put in charge to "coordinate all Federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Departments of Defense, Health and Human Services, Justice, and Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency, and other federal agencies." He was thereby able to oversee the collection and management (and/or disappearance) of any and all evidence. This was in May 2001.

http://www.fema.gov/...se.fema?id=6166

Edited by lliqerty, 05 July 2012 - 06:38 PM.





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