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Bin Laden was not buried at sea,


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#106    Q24

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 11:40 AM

I was wondering…

Have bin Laden’s wives, who were imprisoned in the compound with him, been allowed to speak out yet?  Surely they are a prime source of information on bin Laden’s killing, plus whereabouts and circumstances prior 2011.

I checked and, apparently not.

After their detention for nearly a year, the women have just this month been charged on an immigration violation carrying a maximum sentence of 10 years.  All in the public domain are a few second-hand quotes… passed through the ISI, of course.

Why am I not surprised.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 12:49 PM

If the wives were to speak out, they might say that OBL had been dead for years.  Can't have that.  :ph34r:


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Posted 29 March 2012 - 02:01 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 29 March 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

If the wives were to speak out, they might say that OBL had been dead for years.  Can't have that.  :ph34r:
The wives might say a lot of things given the opportunity - more likely they will disappear and not be heard from again.

The same happened to bin Laden’s first trainer and alleged Al Qaeda security director, Ali Mohammed… who also happened to be a U.S. special forces officer, U.S. intelligence informant and lived in the United States – you couldn’t make it up.  After his ‘arrest’ in 1998 (it appears, to withdraw Mohammed safely from his longterm Al Qaeda infiltration)… Mohammed disappeared with no record of sentencing on his trial.

The last comment on the matter came from his wife in 2006:  “He's still not sentenced yet, and without him being sentenced I really can't say much. He can't talk to anybody. Nobody can get to him. They have Ali pretty secretive... it's like he just kinda vanished into thin air.”

At least there are rumours of a Khalid Sheikh Mohammed trial coming this year – a bit of an Obama showpiece for election year it seems.  Though it will not be the civilian court that Obama originally wanted, rather a closed-door military trial with very limited access to reporters.

If it goes ahead, it’s only taken 9 years to arrange   :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 March 2012 - 07:36 PM

Kangaroo Courts are becoming the hallmark of the US government, ESPECIALLY those regarding the Global War On Terror.


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Posted 30 March 2012 - 08:44 PM

Bin Ladin had been officially killed 9 times prior to compound shoot out, check it out for yourself. The USA don't need this bogey man for wars nor saddam these puppets have been literally fired, the new bogey man is Asad, and Iran


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Posted 31 March 2012 - 09:08 AM

View PostLion6969, on 30 March 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Bin Ladin had been officially killed 9 times prior to compound shoot out, check it out for yourself. The USA don't need this bogey man for wars nor saddam these puppets have been literally fired, the new bogey man is Asad, and Iran
I don’t think those occasions were particularly “official” or “confirmed” but I know what you’re saying – there were numerous prior reports of bin Laden’s death from December 2001 onward to May 2011 from legitimate sources.  Not all of those reports can be accurate… all but one were lying or fed false information.  The better to deter the search, I’d say.

But how do we know which report to believe?

For a number of reasons I think the evidence leans heavily toward bin Laden being killed in that compound on May 2nd, 2011.  I had intended to set out those reasons in this post.  However, in attempting that, I realized it really is very difficult with the evidence available to prove that any one report of bin Laden’s death should be accepted over another.

As mentioned, most of the reports were false.  How can I convince anyone that the U.S. word alone is entirely truthful on this occasion?  That is the bed that decades of U.S. propaganda has made for itself.

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Posted 31 March 2012 - 06:12 PM

View PostLion6969, on 30 March 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

Bin Ladin had been officially killed 9 times prior to compound shoot out, check it out for yourself. The USA don't need this bogey man for wars nor saddam these puppets have been literally fired, the new bogey man is Asad, and Iran

Roger that!  :yes:


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Posted 31 March 2012 - 06:16 PM

How do we know which report to believe?  Good question!!

If it is true that OBL was a dialysis patient, then a safe assumption might be that the earlier reports might be more accurate.  Dialysis patients are fragile and must do if frequently and forever.

I Benazir Bhutto had it right, and her death came not long after her public statement on the matter.


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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:19 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 31 March 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

How do we know which report to believe?  Good question!!
Yes, even though I believe bin Laden was most likely killed in the compound raid, it is tough to argue because at the end of the day I’d be asking people to believe the U.S. word over another.


View PostBabe Ruth, on 31 March 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

If it is true that OBL was a dialysis patient, then a safe assumption might be that the earlier reports might be more accurate.  Dialysis patients are fragile and must do if frequently and forever.
I personally knew a guy who was on dialysis for ten years so wouldn’t let that sway judgment too much.


View PostBabe Ruth, on 31 March 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

I Benazir Bhutto had it right, and her death came not long after her public statement on the matter.
“Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama Bin Laden”
~Benazir Bhutto, Nov. 2nd, 2007

That statement came less than two months before her death and only two weeks before Pakistan’s elections (where she was lead opposition to U.S. and British ally, Pervez Musharraf) – perhaps a combination of those reasons, but certainly the latter, were motive for the assassination.

Bhutto did contradict her own statement at a later date, but whether that was intended to cover the revelation who knows.  Of all the names to mistakenly drop, those two fit a little too well.

Where it becomes really interesting is when we know Omar Sheikh is a British national of Pakistani descent, with close connection to both MI6 and the ISI… oh, and he happens to be the ‘Al Qaeda’ boy reported to have wired $100,000 to lead 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta.  That report was later alleged to be another mix up… yeah, it’s all just a big coincidental mix up, I’m sure.

So Bhutto (remember – she is the main opposition to British ally, Musharraf, and has just accused a British intelligence asset of murdering bin Laden) is assassinated.  And then it happens the British government send out special investigators to bring us the ‘facts’ of her death from this foreign country (why were the British so interested?)… and the report turns out to be a complete cover up of the circumstances…

Bhutto was killed by a bomb, the force of which knocked her into the sunroof lever putting a hole in her head, and there was one attacker, a classic terrorist attack… the British said.  It is utter poppycock; a barefaced lie.  The bomb was a ruse to make it look like a terrorist attack.  Fact is, Bhutto was shot in the head.  For whatever reason, both the attackers and British wanted to frame it as something else.

Look, the gunman fires, her veil lifts and she goes down before the bomb blast: -




They never did catch the suited man in the shades who fired the shots.

Could Bhutto have been correct that Omar Sheikh, a British intelligence asset, murdered bin Laden, before the circumstances of her own assassination were then covered up by the British?  I wouldn’t rule it out.

Hmm hard to know who or what to believe when it comes to bin Laden and Al Qaeda.  The contradictions alone tell us there is more to the story than on the surface.  What I do know is that the fingerprints of intelligence services are all over it.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 12:30 AM

Yes Q, but your dialysis friend wasn't living in the deserts of Southwest Asia.  :rolleyes:

Thanks very much for that link, I had never seen it before.

The safe thing to believe is that the government makes stuff up as a default position.  I assume it's a lie, and then if later evidence proves otherwise, then I might change my mind.

I wonder if Busharoff knew?


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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:28 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 01 April 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

Yes Q, but your dialysis friend wasn't living in the deserts of Southwest Asia.  :rolleyes:
No my friend didn’t live in the desert, but nearly as remote hehe - toward the end, when treatment was required on a more daily basis, he had a dialysis machine installed in his house to save the round trip to hospital.

Anyhow, bin Laden wasn’t living in the middle of nowhere; for the 5-6 years prior 2011, the story is that he lived in a high concentration military catchment area, a little over an hour from the capital.  I don’t see any reason he couldn’t have had access to a dialysis machine… especially with the ISI as his guard.


View PostBabe Ruth, on 01 April 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

I wonder if Busharoff knew?
Well, after Musharraf was ousted, a Pakistan court raised an arrest warrant for his alleged connection to the assassination of Bhutto.  Fortunately for him, he is now in exile in… London.  Yes, it looks as though “Busharoff” and the Brits had involvement in the assassination.

Edited by Q24, 01 April 2012 - 10:30 AM.

Operation Northwoods was a 1962 plan by the US Department of Defense to cause acts of violence, blamed on Cuba, in order to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government. The plan called for various false flag actions, such as staged terrorist attacks and plane hijackings, on U.S. and Cuban soil.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 02:17 PM

Imagine that!!   :w00t:

Thanks for all that info.


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Posted 07 July 2012 - 09:52 PM

I think OBL has been dead for a decade.


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Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:42 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 07 July 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

I think OBL has been dead for a decade.
I'm in shock that you don't "know" it.


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Posted 12 July 2012 - 04:28 AM

It's really annoying how anything to do with the US is a conspiracy. Some are laughable like the death of mj,elvis and monroe. Some are serious though like 9/11 and the oc bombing. I'm not saying i believe or disbelieve any of them but it's always US related. I'm from Glasgow Scotland btw





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