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[puridalan]

I already have proved it to enough people. No, not the world, but certainly more than a 100 people that it is enough proof to them. How their loved one or whoever died, to the T without them telling me anything.

So, it has been conclusive proof for many, for some it will never be enough. Sometimes you cannot communicate with said 'spirit'. I wouldn't call this reading another persons mind, as the dead are showing you the images themselves to you..its more like they are telling you. It's not you trying to budge in and use 'mind powers' to telepathically read someone..its more of someone else giving you information that isn't physically there. Sounds far fetched I know, but in reality it's quite 'simple'..just the person isn't there in a physical body.

If you don't believe that is fine, I am just showing you how I've done some of my communication in the past

[Cybele]

puridalan, on 04 May 2010 - 07:15 PM, said:

I wouldn't call this reading another persons mind, as the dead are showing you the images themselves to you..its more like they are telling you. It's not you trying to budge in and use 'mind powers' to telepathically read someone..its more of someone else giving you information that isn't physically there. Sounds far fetched I know, but in reality it's quite 'simple'..just the person isn't there in a physical body.

From the experiment you described, there seems to be no way to determine the source of the images or thoughts you receive. You expect them to come from a deceased person, but that doesn't mean they actually do. ESP is just as likely (or unlikely) an explanation, regardless of intent. From what I can tell, there's no way to prove that spirits of the dead are actually involved; that's just the way you interpret it. So how could this prove the existence of spirits to a skeptic?All it would prove is that there is some unexplained phenomenon going on.

Edited by Cybele, 04 May 2010 - 07:34 PM.

[Sergeant]

Cybele, on 04 May 2010 - 01:46 PM, said:

If these methods actually worked and were able to be replicated reliably, don't you think that there would be conclusive proof? Wouldn't the methods of spiritualism be accepted by more people? Even if they do work, you're not necessarily proving that a dead person's spirit is communicating with you. If you're willing to accept paranormal explanations, couldn't this be an example of you reading another person's mind?

Actually the military had some good success with remote viewing:
http://www.wnd.com/n...RTICLE_ID=19081

it's my opinion the general idea of "branching out" your mind and experiencing a location far away from you is just as credible (or incredible) as the existence of ghosts or spirits. Remote viewers will verify the existence of those entities some here claim don't exist BTW.

Edited by Sergeant, 04 May 2010 - 07:46 PM.

[puridalan]

Cybele

how much more proof can you get?
I mean literally sitting down with a stranger, or lets say a medical examiner.
You do not know this medical examiner. They hand you a picture, or merely the persons name. you are to state how this person died exactly.
And lets make it even more 'remote' this medical examiner has you in a bare room, the examiner is not even allowed to see you therefore you cannot read their body language, throu the door they slip you the name, tag of the victim..something that makes it unique to them

then you state exactly how the person dies, "X died by suffocation in a lake for 3 minutes".

I mean seriously..what else do you people want? I think that is about as controlled as you can get.

Edited by puridalan, 04 May 2010 - 07:53 PM.

[Cybele]

Sergeant, on 04 May 2010 - 07:43 PM, said:

Actually the military had some good success with remote viewing:
http://www.wnd.com/n...RTICLE_ID=19081

it's my opinion the general idea of "branching out" your mind and experiencing a location far away from you is just as credible (or incredible) as the existence of ghosts or spirits. Remote viewers will verify the existence of those entities some here claim don't exist BTW.

I had heard about the military experiments into remote viewing. They also experimented with LSD as a method of mind control.

I think the fact that police forces and government agencies no longer normally employ the use of psychics as an investigative method speaks volumes about the efficacy and replicability of practices such as remote viewing.

CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield said: "The CIA is reviewing available programs regarding parapsychological phenomena, mostly remote viewing, to determine their usefulness to the intelligence community" (Cole 1995). He also notes that the Star Gate program was found to be "unpromising" in the 1970s and was turned over to the Defense Department...

...Dean Radin in The Conscious Universe says that the remote viewing program “finally wound down in 1994.” He doesn’t mention that the CIA shut it down because they were convinced that after 24 years of experiments it was clear that remote viewing was of no practical value to the intelligence community (Marks: 75). The CIA report noted that in the case of remote viewing there was a large amount of irrelevant, erroneous information that was provided and there was little agreement observed among the reports of the remote viewers (Marks: 77). Radin doesn’t mention that May objected to the CIA report because it didn’t make note of the fact that he had four independent replications of remote viewing. May didn’t publicize the fact, however, that there were also at least six reported instances of failed replication.

http://www.skepdic.com/remotevw.html

puridalan, on 04 May 2010 - 07:52 PM, said:

Cybele

how much more proof can you get?
I mean literally sitting down with a stranger, or lets say a medical examiner.
You do not know this medical examiner. They hand you a picture, or merely the persons name. you are to state how this person died exactly.
And lets make it even more 'remote' this medical examiner has you in a bare room, the examiner is not even allowed to see you therefore you cannot read their body language, throu the door they slip you the name, tag of the victim..something that makes it unique to them

then you state exactly how the person dies, "X died by suffocation in a lake for 3 minutes".

I mean seriously..what else do you people want? I think that is about as controlled as you can get.

This still wouldn't be proof of the existence of deceased humans or spirits communicating with people. There would be a whole host of other possibilities, such as the remote viewing Sergeant mentioned, to consider, so that's not addressing the OP's request for evidence of spirits.

[puridalan]

Well that would be conflict as you would be 'backwards' remote viewing..because the person is dead...and you didn't see it happen in ie another location while they were alive...but yes you are right on that

As for not 'normally' employing inutitives...I can't say that is totally true, maybe the numbers have delcined (cough) if we even knew the numbers to begin with. But I know many inutitives  that have worked with govt here and there on cases, and I know one investigator in AL and one in FL that use their intutition to do their jobs. Not saying you find these people constantly all over the place..certainly not.

[Cybele]

puridalan, on 04 May 2010 - 08:26 PM, said:

As for not 'normally' employing inutitives...I can't say that is totally true, maybe the numbers have delcined (cough) if we even knew the numbers to begin with. But I know many inutitives  that have worked with govt here and there on cases, and I know one investigator in AL and one in FL that use their intutition to do their jobs. Not saying you find these people constantly all over the place..certainly not.

Remote viewing is an interest concept, and studies into this phenomenon has show more promise than other areas of the paranormal. It's just very hard to believe, if this worked, that we would still be unable to solve so many crimes. If the government were using remote viewing nowadays, don't you think we would have caught Bin Laden by now? Why would we waste billions of dollars on technologies that serve no purpose other than spying on our enemies if we knew that we could simply pay people to sit down, concentrate, and find out all the information we need? It just doesn't make sense.

[puridalan]

No I actually did a thing on bin laden, on my youtube page. I will give you both videos in order of which one you watch first..by the date I posted them on, the first one is the two days BEFORE i posted the other one

It's on bin laden, you should find it at least a tiny bit interesting. DO NOT wathc both videos all the way throu, only the first parts where I talk about bin laden thank you

http://www.youtube.c.../12/CRH6zMn9W2Q

and the second

http://www.youtube.c.../11/3g-WPVGdXmk


Might give you something to think on

Edited by puridalan, 04 May 2010 - 08:58 PM.

[puridalan]

We are 'mimickers' further more, we create technology based off of other things we see or see other species able to do, example use infra red like snakes, use night vision like other animals..ect.

Think about it, you can only remote view so much, there are a billions and trillions of things going on in the world, you have to  choose and select, and narrow..you can't just 'see' it all. "you have to pick your battles". Even when we have cameras up everywhere does no good if no one is watching everyone of them constantly...still human, believe it or not

So, people that can remote view are employed to specific cases to work on, just like regular police are employed to a certain location, certain shift ect.

[Ketzer]

puridalan, on 04 May 2010 - 05:35 AM, said:

Ya, it does matter anyone is being an idiot to say they want evil spirits in their house..that's the most idiotic crap I've heard in my life. We should be surronding ourselves with positive energy not negative..and yes it DOES matter. -.-

As for seeing the dead/spirits..you don't have to do any eleborate ceremony what so ever...anyone that claims you have to is pure bs. It's just like you are talking to a person who is alive..when someone comes over to your house..do you do an eleborate ceremony before they come...no you'd look like an idiot!

People think that communicating with the dead is some foreign alien language in which everything should be totally butt backwards and difficult..keep it simple stupid is what I say.

I don't see what's so idiotic about it.
I actually think you have to be pretty smart to not fall into this whole imaginary demon thing.

Edited by Dasmian, 04 May 2010 - 08:49 PM.

[puridalan]

So, umm sorry about the videos
YOU ONLY need to watch the first parts of both videos..I go on rants about two other things..that aren't related to bin laden...soooo yaaaaa -.- sorry didn't mean for those other things to be in there..but ya just watch the ttwo firsst parts of the videos..the rest is not about it and u can go past

[Cybele]

puridalan, on 04 May 2010 - 08:43 PM, said:

No I actually did a thing on bin laden, on my youtube page. I will give you both videos in order of which one you watch first..by the date I posted them on, the first one is the two days BEFORE i posted the other one

It's on bin laden, you should find it at least a tiny bit interesting. Please watch all the way through both videos, thank you

http://www.youtube.c.../12/CRH6zMn9W2Q

and the second

http://www.youtube.c.../11/3g-WPVGdXmk


Might give you something to think on

I'll watch your videos, but my point remains valid. If the government studies had determined that remote viewing was accurate, replicable, and therefore useful, then they would be using "psychics" all the time instead of technology and spies to save time and money, as would police forces. The fact of the matter is that even after studying and seriously considering it for years, they no longer do. That speaks volumes to me.

[puridalan]

Humans can't be there constantly..they have to sleep, cameras can still be set up while sleeping..there is a difference, plus if the gov't is smart..you don't put all your eggs in one basket..you never do. You work from alllll the points possible.

[puridalan]

Adding: Just because psychics can 'see things' they aren't trained on how to kill people naturally lol, they aren't naturally born a superhero along with the vision to 'see'. Soooo, that brings up to the next point why they have spies, because they are trained for yeeeears on how to be 'sneaky' and kill people and inflitrate.

I think its hilarious when people expect remote viewers to not only be able to see things, but complete the whole dam mission by themselves. Sure they can see things, but other issues remain like umm killing people..and it would suck if your top remote viewer on the first day got shot by someone..I mean sure they can see things...but remember no one can see evvvverything..there are a billion things going on at once..you have to pick and choose just hope its the right..thats why you have a team..and thats why you still have trained men and technology helping

its to get the best advantage possible, and in the smartest and safest way...just addin those viewpoints in

[Superglobe]

Not even going to go into the possibility that spirits may not exist.

Why exactly would you want to do this?