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#256    Beckys_Mom

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:06 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 January 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

i don't understand your question, i clearly stated, you shoot untill he stoppes moving, when he stopped, so should you. what is not clear about that?

If you shoot until he stops moving, chances are he is dead, no point in shooting any more ..

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:07 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 17 January 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

What on earth do you mean yes it was for the gun controllers?



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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:09 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 17 January 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

If you shoot until he stops moving, chances are he is dead, no point in shooting any more ..
i don't care if he is dead or not. i need him to stop moving. that all there is to it.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:09 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 17 January 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

Question -

You are in your bedroom in your home.  It's 2:00 AM.  You hear a window break downstairs.  You then hear some one moving through a room.

What would you do?

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Grab my phone and call 911.  Give them my address and continue to monitor the situation on the phone as I retrieve my shotgun.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 17 January 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

I understand what you are saying but when you are using a weapon for protection you are in a desperate situation (or should be) with your life (or some one else's) and in that situation you don't think...oh, I'll shoot him in the hand or I'll shoot him in the foot.  We were taught that since the goal is to remove the danger as fast as possible.  You pull the trigger.  You don't stop and rationalize, you don't pick an option.  

It's an ugly statement "shoot to kill" but IMO it clearly states what kind of responsibility a person has when they have a weapon.  This is a mindset that needs to be grasped before a person even considers pulling a weapon.

IF you are in the situation that you do shoot some one and they are wiggling on the floor or something like that you do NOT go over and shoot until they aren't moving.  If the danger is over then you wait for police.  

Now, if you shoot some one and they are wiggling on the floor and still have a weapon or are still a threat, yeah, you shoot again.

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Yeah I do get the reasoning behind it...but (personally speaking) I find the wording of 'shoot to kill' poorly written. Shoot to kill implies you are shooting with the intention to kill, and that isn't even practical in real terms, let alone it shouldn't be taught as a desired outcome. I can understand why it was used, since it was obviously designed to give the message that you only shoot as a last resort, when you have no other option, therefore you have no other option then to kill that person, but since at first glance to gives the impression that you aim to kill, rather then stop the person (regardless of whether they die or not) it seems to me the wording needs a rethink.

Edited by Sky Scanner, 17 January 2013 - 09:15 PM.


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

View PostYamato, on 17 January 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

Grab my phone and call 911.  Give them my address and continue to monitor the situation on the phone as I retrieve my shotgun.

Ok, cool.  What I would do as well.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 January 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

i don't care if he is dead or not. i need him to stop moving. that all there is to it.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:12 PM

Let's at least fake some respect for life here, folks.   My goodness.

It's life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.   There is no liberty without life.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:13 PM

at nypd interview one guy was asked a question what would you do if you see out your window someone on the street steling your car, he said he'll fire warning shot in the air, he failed interview. safe to say he didn't get license, at that time.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 January 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

at nypd interview one guy was asked a question what would you do if you see out your window someone on the street steling your car, he said he'll fire warning shot in the air, he failed interview. safe to say he didn't get license, at that time.
LOL that's an awesome question for that interview.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 January 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

at nypd interview one guy was asked a question what would you do if you see out your window someone on the street steling your car, he said he'll fire warning shot in the air, he failed interview. safe to say he didn't get license, at that time.

Because the bullet has to land somewhere.

A warning shot is irresponsible.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:19 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 17 January 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

Because the bullet has to land somewhere.

A warning shot is irresponsible.

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well you'd fail that interview as well.what if i shoot a warning shot into the ground\sand\anything knowing full well the bullet will not go anywhere else, or ricochet anywhere, a well for example???

Edited by aztek, 17 January 2013 - 09:21 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:20 PM

View Postaztek, on 17 January 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

well you'd fail that interview as well.what if i shoot a warning shot into the ground\sand\anything knowing full well the bullety will not go anywhere else?

*sigh*  Well, I didn't fail for my CC.

So what is the correct answer?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

you just don't fire unless you believe you are (or someone next to you )in danger to be maimed or killed. period.
doen't matter where the bullet lands.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:26 PM

of course target practice and hunting don't count. as long as you do it lawfully in designated place, with accordinance to all local laws.

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