..... strange when you lose someone.. and not to death.
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23 June 2012
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I feel sort of sad today, well.. is it sad? Not sure exactly how to describe the feelings, but I think sadness comes closest.
I have friends here in rl, athiest, agnostic.. religious.. I really do not care what their faith or non faith is, and I never hide the fact that I am agnostic with strong leanings towards atheism. I just figured this is our only home.. earth.. and we are the people of earth and regardless of skin color, religion or non religion.. culture.. locartion, we should be 'friends', because in a sense we are all related and what happens to earth and the people on earth effects ALL of us as a whole, even if we do not see that until further down the line way into the future with the next generation.
I do draw lines though.
I meet more and more pple online, so many different cultures, and faiths.. and I enjoy my online company with them and ooooooooooooh how I wish we could all have a meeting together someplace and have like a week or two week long camping trip and just get to see one another face to face and be able to say to our grandkids.. neighbors.. friends.. that for while, we all just plain got along and enjoyed each others company, we discussed differences, even debated.. but no one felt pressured or preached at, and everyone was welcome and smiles and laughter was ever ready for all and the different styles of outdoor cooking was there for all to enjoy.
THAT is what a good world should be and though it may only here here and there in small areas, that is what makes the future, those little pockets of 'friendliness' that spread one at a time.. that is like a gentle stream of water, slow.. steady.. wearing down the might rock that refuses to budge and change with time.
But again, I do draw lines.
On facebook, I really enjoyed the texturial friendship with another, he was a born again Christian which meant I had to tolerate a bit of holy roler style preaching out there, because usually with Born Again Christians, that is how it goes, till the settle in and calm down and become more steady on their faith and not so OUT there screaming to all about how they found god.
We would even debate, though I found I had to be gentle with him as he did not seem as independently strong in his faith, and I am telling you now.. thouhg I am not Christian and I have no problems with explaining my side and debating, and if in doing so a christian decides to become agnostic.. or explore more deeply other areas.. I have no problem with it, but when a person is so weak that I find they are eating, sleeping, breathing their faith because if they do not, they find themselves slipping into some kind of sad areas on their life.. I wont debate forcefully, I treat them with kid gloves.. it is like.. I dunno, their faith is more of a medication that is keeping them surviving.
Does that make sense?
But after a while I have to say no more, I hve noticed over the past several weeks I have stopped chatting with him.. and more or less I am only chatting with religion.
He no longer talks of normal things, or if he does it is so rare that it seems he never does. He will post something like 'here is a word, not sure of the spelling, coudl someone tell me what it means?', I remember he did htis with two words, and I looked them up, found the nearest things I could for the spelling and meanings, gave it to him.. then asked..
could you use these in a sentense so I sort of have a better idea what you mean? (he is in scotland, so sometimes when he says words.. it could be a slang neither or us is overly familiar with since he also talks with others in different parts of the world), he then replies.. no he cannot, because he thinks god put these words in his mind to reach out to another lost soul..
So even heling him with slangs and words and such.. I wasnt helping HIM..
I know many religious people, but rarely do they lose themselves in their faith to such a degree that there is nothing else about them.
No different music.. no discussion of good movies or books.. no discussion on 'i feel ill today.. going ot see a doctor..' and us trying to help him through it.. nothing normal every days. He stopped doing that weeks ago..
So yes, I feel sad.. and unfriended him.. but before I did I told him that he could msg me any time he wishes.. but to talk of normal every day things, weather.. books.. tv.. movies.. music.. ANYTHING that was about him and what he is doing.. I told him tht I understand he is deeply religoius and I would never ask him to change his postings for me.. hense my unfriending him.. as I should never influence another to change their style of postings..
But that I was more interesting in getting to know him as a person since I already know him as a religious person. I know his religion, i know all his church groups, all his ouside the church religous activities.. all his praching. .but I no longer know HIM.. if you know what I mean.
He never mentions family or friends.. never mentions a walk in the park.. or a good cuppa tea.. never mentions a good silly song he enjoys.. or a stupid sitcom on tv..
all that stopped weeks ago.. so I had to say goodbye
and so sadness is the only thing I can think of now.
Or perhaps I feel a loss? I knwo many religious people, this is the first time I had to unfriend one due to losing him to religion.
I hope I made sense here, if I did not? I am sorry.
I have friends here in rl, athiest, agnostic.. religious.. I really do not care what their faith or non faith is, and I never hide the fact that I am agnostic with strong leanings towards atheism. I just figured this is our only home.. earth.. and we are the people of earth and regardless of skin color, religion or non religion.. culture.. locartion, we should be 'friends', because in a sense we are all related and what happens to earth and the people on earth effects ALL of us as a whole, even if we do not see that until further down the line way into the future with the next generation.
I do draw lines though.
I meet more and more pple online, so many different cultures, and faiths.. and I enjoy my online company with them and ooooooooooooh how I wish we could all have a meeting together someplace and have like a week or two week long camping trip and just get to see one another face to face and be able to say to our grandkids.. neighbors.. friends.. that for while, we all just plain got along and enjoyed each others company, we discussed differences, even debated.. but no one felt pressured or preached at, and everyone was welcome and smiles and laughter was ever ready for all and the different styles of outdoor cooking was there for all to enjoy.
THAT is what a good world should be and though it may only here here and there in small areas, that is what makes the future, those little pockets of 'friendliness' that spread one at a time.. that is like a gentle stream of water, slow.. steady.. wearing down the might rock that refuses to budge and change with time.
But again, I do draw lines.
On facebook, I really enjoyed the texturial friendship with another, he was a born again Christian which meant I had to tolerate a bit of holy roler style preaching out there, because usually with Born Again Christians, that is how it goes, till the settle in and calm down and become more steady on their faith and not so OUT there screaming to all about how they found god.
We would even debate, though I found I had to be gentle with him as he did not seem as independently strong in his faith, and I am telling you now.. thouhg I am not Christian and I have no problems with explaining my side and debating, and if in doing so a christian decides to become agnostic.. or explore more deeply other areas.. I have no problem with it, but when a person is so weak that I find they are eating, sleeping, breathing their faith because if they do not, they find themselves slipping into some kind of sad areas on their life.. I wont debate forcefully, I treat them with kid gloves.. it is like.. I dunno, their faith is more of a medication that is keeping them surviving.
Does that make sense?
But after a while I have to say no more, I hve noticed over the past several weeks I have stopped chatting with him.. and more or less I am only chatting with religion.
He no longer talks of normal things, or if he does it is so rare that it seems he never does. He will post something like 'here is a word, not sure of the spelling, coudl someone tell me what it means?', I remember he did htis with two words, and I looked them up, found the nearest things I could for the spelling and meanings, gave it to him.. then asked..
could you use these in a sentense so I sort of have a better idea what you mean? (he is in scotland, so sometimes when he says words.. it could be a slang neither or us is overly familiar with since he also talks with others in different parts of the world), he then replies.. no he cannot, because he thinks god put these words in his mind to reach out to another lost soul..
So even heling him with slangs and words and such.. I wasnt helping HIM..
I know many religious people, but rarely do they lose themselves in their faith to such a degree that there is nothing else about them.
No different music.. no discussion of good movies or books.. no discussion on 'i feel ill today.. going ot see a doctor..' and us trying to help him through it.. nothing normal every days. He stopped doing that weeks ago..
So yes, I feel sad.. and unfriended him.. but before I did I told him that he could msg me any time he wishes.. but to talk of normal every day things, weather.. books.. tv.. movies.. music.. ANYTHING that was about him and what he is doing.. I told him tht I understand he is deeply religoius and I would never ask him to change his postings for me.. hense my unfriending him.. as I should never influence another to change their style of postings..
But that I was more interesting in getting to know him as a person since I already know him as a religious person. I know his religion, i know all his church groups, all his ouside the church religous activities.. all his praching. .but I no longer know HIM.. if you know what I mean.
He never mentions family or friends.. never mentions a walk in the park.. or a good cuppa tea.. never mentions a good silly song he enjoys.. or a stupid sitcom on tv..
all that stopped weeks ago.. so I had to say goodbye
and so sadness is the only thing I can think of now.
Or perhaps I feel a loss? I knwo many religious people, this is the first time I had to unfriend one due to losing him to religion.
I hope I made sense here, if I did not? I am sorry.









We can only interupt reality by our belief system, so our language will reflect that, so I want to say something. If there is a God (I believe there is), you have that love in you heart, and as far as I can see you will only get better as you age, like a fine wine....It is an honor to know you.
You probably helped him actually, forced him to look back on himself and perhaps to see what he is doing. Words are important, they are seeds and they take root and grow and change us. I think if what you said was taken as a seed, it may very well help him.
Faith and life can't be seperate, just like any other philosiphical or religious or spritual path. Intergration is important, and I believe it is doubt and our fragility that actually bring us together. I don't have all the answers, not sure we are supposed to.....we are searchers.
Yes it would be wonderful if we could all get together LOL.....
Peace
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