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#61    DieChecker

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:35 PM

View PostRobin_Shadowes, on 12 November 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

He's a political prisoner and commited those killings for a reason, not out of a whim. Although I haven't read the full maniphesto, I have read plenty of it. He had planned it for nine years and thus have had a lot of time to think through it. What he did was a protest against multiculturalism and the islamization of the western civilisation as such. He found it pointless to joina political party as it only would have been a dead end street. He realized he could have wasted 20-30 years without not really getting anywhere because of the powerful forces behind the destruction of our independent national states and the christian identity. I too reacted much like you the first few months afterwards until I started to read more thoroughly about his thoughts and causes for the whole action. And I didn't perceive it in any way that he was complaining about petty things, mainly about the forced isolation. Although I will not condone murder and terrorism, I consider those traitors who willingly destroys their own nation and thus betrays their own people, are far worse than Breivik will ever be. They are like Breivis states, cultural marxists and a such they have a very malevolent agenda that has been going on for decades. If they win, Hitler, Stalin and Mao's genocides during the 20the century, will seem like a sunday walk in the park with family, compared to the hellish nightmare they have in store for us.
It really does not matter if his underlying beliefs were valid or not. He killed 77 people. He did not chain himself to a Statehouse, or government office, in protest... he killed people. There is a difference between, say, the Occupy Wall Street people, and someone rigging the NY Stock Exchange with dynamite and killing Brokers on the Floor. The OWS people are protesters, and the other is a murderer.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:48 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 12 November 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

It really does not matter if his underlying beliefs were valid or not. He killed 77 people. He did not chain himself to a Statehouse, or government office, in protest... he killed people. There is a difference between, say, the Occupy Wall Street people, and someone rigging the NY Stock Exchange with dynamite and killing Brokers on the Floor. The OWS people are protesters, and the other is a murderer.
I agree.

Killing people who didn't know better did nothing positive - if anything it was detrimental. If he had to kill, he should have strictly targeted politicians, or committed a far more honorable act.

However, to be fair he did have some modicum of sense for his actions. He rationalized what he did by killing possible future politicians - he said himself that killing immigrants would be pointless and counter-productive...in fact he even said it wasn't their fault, which is interesting. If he was just a mindless sociopath looking for an excuse to kill he would have done just that, not plan for about 10 years to commit the bombing and massacre.

What I find most disturbing about him is the detachment.

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I don’t want to do what I do, I would rather focus on starting a family and focus on my career again. But I can’t do that as long as I feel like a person caught in a burning spaceship with nowhere to go. If you see the ship is burning you don’t ignore it and start cooking noodles do you? You put out the fire even if it endangers your life. You don’t enjoy putting out the fire but it is your duty to yourself and your fellow crewmen. And let’s say your crewmen have been infected with a rare virus that shuts down their rational senses and they try to stop you from putting out the fire. You can’t really allow yourself to be stopped by any of them as it will lead to your collective death. You will do anything to put out that fire despite of the fact that they are trying to stop you. Anything else would be illogical.  
Quote from his diary. Almost depressing.

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 12 November 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

you are promoting extremism.
1. All I saw him do in that post was state facts.
2. He is responding to a problem with a solution. The 7/7 bombers weren't even religious, there's pictures of them drinking and partying.

Edited by Gravitorbox, 12 November 2012 - 10:03 PM.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 01:00 AM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 12 November 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

So if you had Jimmy Saville in one of your cells you wouldnt do anything to him or turn a blind eye?

Maybe thats why I'm not a prison officer.
no i wouldnt i have met far worse. normaly i try not to know why they are in but even if i do i treat them all the same thats the job.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:40 AM

View Postacidhead, on 12 November 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:13 AM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 12 November 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

I personally think Brevik is correct.

I know some Muslims who are quite nice people and have no problems being tolerant towards Christains. However I also realise some are fundies who will try and spread their faith to us by the sword if they ever get the chance. I also suspect, and this is my personal opinion, that behind closed doors there is more support for the Jihadists than the state acknowledges. I think when the fundies have enough power Jihad will come to our streets as they try to force their faith onto Western peoples.

However Brevik is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder from which he has justified the murdering of quite a lot of people. If his purpose is to convince people of the potential threat he has sadly harmed his cause. The reason why nothing is being done about immigration is because the only parties saying they will stop it are riddled with nazis, extremists and nutters who think going around massacring the opposition is acceptable. Brevik needs making an example off as he is just as bad as those would be Jihadists.

We need a normal party who oppose immigration yet respect the human rights of immigrants. We dont need a one eyed, slimey, holocaust denying, embezzling, gay hating (yes he did that last month), HItler loving looney as a future PM. The far-right are their own worst enemy.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:29 AM

Except for Mr Right Wing not repecting the (human) rights of immigrants in his later post.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:17 AM

On the subject of Breivik hating gays:

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The truth of the matter is that Ipersonally know several gay individuals and have known several gay people during the
years and I don’t have any reservations against them. Why would I care what they do
behind closed doors?

However, I personally do object to the “gay media hysteria” which has been going on in
Western Europe the last two decades. In many cases “alleged victim groups” are
subjected to positive discrimination within politics, media and certain sectors. In those
specific contexts it has become standard policy to discriminate so called “heterosexual
men”. Western European media, especially in the protestant countries are obsessed with
cheering the gay community and other minorities they see as “preferred groups” in their
so called “victim hierarchy”. The glorification of “preferred groups” in the EUSSR “victim
hierarchy” have gone too far. It’s racist and fascist.
This was his view. More or less in line with my opinion - and I'm a fag myself.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 01:10 PM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 13 November 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Except for Mr Right Wing not repecting the (human) rights of immigrants in his later post.

From my comments its clear the only rights I think should be violated are ones of terrorists.

If you have a problem with that maybe MI5 needs to check you out.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:01 PM

View PostGravitorbox, on 13 November 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

On the subject of Breivik hating gays:


This was his view. More or less in line with my opinion - and I'm a fag myself.
Ah, the "Some of my best friends are gay" argument.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:00 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 13 November 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

From my comments its clear the only rights I think should be violated are ones of terrorists.

If you have a problem with that maybe MI5 needs to check you out.


Lol.
Sure. MI5 should check out everyone who told you that you can’t sit at two chairs at the same time. (Your crystal clear statement “I personally think Breivik is correct” being the first and sugar coating you tried to stick on it being the second chair.)

Well, you can’t sit at two ****en chairs at the same damn time, no matter how huge you think your ass is. Gigantic asses are great for politics, but you still have to make up your mind sometimes.

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Edit: I'd say you jumped on Flombie with fallacy no.6 but might as well be no.9, so if you don't feel like reading the whole article, skip right to them.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:07 PM

View Post747400, on 13 November 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Ah, the "Some of my best friends are gay" argument.
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:53 PM

View PostHelen of Annoy, on 13 November 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

Lol.
Sure. MI5 should check out everyone who told you that you can’t sit at two chairs at the same time. (Your crystal clear statement “I personally think Breivik is correct” being the first and sugar coating you tried to stick on it being the second chair.)

Well, you can’t sit at two ****en chairs at the same damn time, no matter how huge you think your ass is. Gigantic asses are great for politics, but you still have to make up your mind sometimes.

By the way, here’s some good read for you:  
http://listverse.com...s-we-all-abuse/
it may help you troll a little bit more convincing in the future.

Edit: I'd say you jumped on Flombie with fallacy no.6 but might as well be no.9, so if you don't feel like reading the whole article, skip right to them.

Brevik is corrent in my opinion.

However just because I agree with my neighbour that Joe Bloggs across the street is a dangerous imbicile doesnt means I agree with him bombing his car then massacring him and his family with a machine gun. Even if he is a member of the Labour Party!

This is a Democracy and everybody has the right to compete in elections should they wish too. No one has the right to kill the members of a party they dont agree with under any circumstances. Doing so violates the Democractic rights of those people who want to vote for them as well as the right to life of the victims.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 13 November 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Brevik is corrent in my opinion.

However just because I agree with my neighbour that Joe Bloggs across the street is a dangerous imbicile doesnt means I agree with him bombing his car then massacring him and his family with a machine gun. Even if he is a member of the Labour Party!

This is a Democracy and everybody has the right to compete in elections should they wish too. No one has the right to kill the members of a party they dont agree with under any circumstances. Doing so violates the Democractic rights of those people who want to vote for them as well as the right to life of the victims.


So you think Breivik was correct in something but wrong about massacring unarmed kids...

Digression: unarmed, Jesus, kids, Christ, couldn’t he storm a mosque full of grown up men and women? There would be at least one person that would manage to keep their presence of mind and whack the psycho over his plastic surgery altered head.
So he went for kids, damn coward that he is.
Kids that might have become politicians? Sure. But what did he know what their political inclination would be later in life? Was he also psychic besides psychotic? Exposure to certain ideology in your youth sometimes results in rabidly contrasted views later in life. Just saying, in case some other idiot like him is reading this.

Back to you.
This what you claim to be correct is not democratic.
The reason why we don’t go around killing people we don’t like is not the democracy but the basic human compassion. Democracy is here today and tomorrow it might be lost, even through pristinely democratic process, due to Breivik fans being more diligent at voting than sane people.
If that happens, you will experience firsthand that what you claim to be correct.  

Great, huh? There’s only one catch. They might not like you. Maybe your eyes won’t be blue enough, maybe you’ll fart during memorial service for Breivik. And then what? Will you die like Fegelein did, praising your führer that had you killed with your last breath? (Happened a lot in communism too, mostly to save your family from further persecution. Didn’t work. Only made you look really stupid to posterity.)

And the most important of all, the massacre Breivik committed was direct consequence of his ideology, his ideology put to practice, not some fringy “oopsy” detail. He didn’t spill a beer while leading a putsch, he killed 77 children.

Stop sugar coating the Breivik turd of ideology.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:40 PM

Democracy is not right wing nor it is left


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:15 AM

View Post747400, on 13 November 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Ah, the "Some of my best friends are gay" argument.
No not really. I think it is quite childish to think hating gay pride = hating gays. In any case, I don't feel the need to be associated with such degenerate crap, so I have a problem with gay pride.

You think I should be supportive of insecure sexual degenerates representing me by protesting in the street half naked like freaks?

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