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#76    scowl

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:34 PM

View PostMr Walker, on 04 March 2013 - 11:04 PM, said:

We are each gods already. Everyone of us exists within god, and god exists within each one of us.

But if god exists within god yet also without god then which god would a good god god?


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:44 PM

The way I read what they were saying, and why I referred to "Buddha nature" is that we all have the ability to be Buddha, and probably, in the fullness of time, will be.

How to interpret that in Christian terms?  Well the Buddha is not someone we worship (appearances aside) but someone with certain attributes that we all have as human beings -- intelligence, reasoning, morals, aesthetics, humor, free will, power, purpose, compassion, and so on.  These are attributes of gods.  In a sense we are gods, depending on how broadly or narrowly you define the word.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:00 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 05 March 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

The way I read what they were saying, and why I referred to "Buddha nature" is that we all have the ability to be Buddha, and probably, in the fullness of time, will be.

Buddha was a regular person, not a god. If I recall my Torah teachings, God regularly made a point of showing that He was a god and humans weren't.


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:33 AM

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The kingdom of god is at hand ....

As I understand it, most 'expert' non-theosophical readings regard it as not that "we" are god but as "we" are able to be alike god

subtle but makes a vast difference here, vast enough as 'eternal life or death' and 'eternal death or resurrection'

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to live one only has to die
here the word 'die' has a very different meaning to our modern rendition of the word, read 'Chaucer' tales or Shake Shake Shakespeare

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:05 PM

I was raised with the Torah. If there was any message in it, it was that we are humans, God is a god, and you don't cross that line.

To speak of yourself as a god in any sense is at the top of the long list of "Guaranteed Ways to p*** God Off".


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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:23 PM

View Postscowl, on 06 March 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

I was raised with the Torah. If there was any message in it, it was that we are humans, God is a god, and you don't cross that line.

To speak of yourself as a god in any sense is at the top of the long list of "Guaranteed Ways to p*** God Off".

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 10:37 AM

View Postscowl, on 05 March 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

But if god exists within god yet also without god then which god would a good god god?

Where does your consciousness reside in relation to your physical body? Not where is it organically constructed, but where does it reside? How far can it ebb and flow across time and space? How much can it connect to everything else around it?

We are a tiny part of god and god is a tiny part of us, yet that tiny part connects us all to  the totality of god, and hence to the universe  This is sort of like how a single neuron in the brain is connected to the totality of thought and memory  storage in the brain A human being, as a single neuron in the mind of god, can access the huge organic mind of god (its consciousness) or connect via tha t mind with other neurons(sapient beings) within it, no matter how far they are removed. Furthermore,we all have direct access to the long term memory storage of god which includes the memories of all those previous humans and other beings connected in the past to the mind of god. This allows us  to go far back in time,  not just on earth but in other racial memories.

You can call up the memory of a cromagnon or a being from another solar systen of 20000 years ago through an interface with the mind of god. We can also call on the mental capacity of god to forsee the futures avaialble to us and to alter them as we desire.
More materialistically, (and capable of physical verification) we can call on the knowledge and powers of gods mind to improve our health, happiness, eliminate non chemical depression, and many other things, like manage anger, lust, hate, and eliminate fear etc. That power and knowledge has the abilty to transform empower and "heal" any human being. It can remove drug and alcohol dependency and addiction and remove the reasons why a person turns to drugs or alcohol. It can turn hate into love, and allow total forgiveness of the most grievous hurts and injuries, in turn allowing a victim to heal and strengthen..

Edited by Mr Walker, 07 March 2013 - 10:42 AM.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 10:49 AM

View Postscowl, on 06 March 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

I was raised with the Torah. If there was any message in it, it was that we are humans, God is a god, and you don't cross that line.

To speak of yourself as a god in any sense is at the top of the long list of "Guaranteed Ways to p*** God Off".

That is a human interpretation, not gods. God lives within me. How could he be angered by me recognising that. he went to considerable effort to ensure I understood this. I live within god. How can he be angered by that?  It is one of the things he asks of me to live as he requires of me. And if we coexist as one, then in at least one sense, I am god and god is I.

But god is much more than me, and so too am I more than just god. I can differentiate my self, my thoughts, and my behaviours, from those of god, even though he is within me and all around me.

So while the god within me instructs me to act in a certain way, I have a choice ot act that way or not to. But because god is also "without me", my actions have consequences which god informs me of and illustrates for me before i act.

  If I still want to go against god, inside and out, then i can, but it weakens the linkage between self and god and  thus weakens me.

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 10:54 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 05 March 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

The way I read what they were saying, and why I referred to "Buddha nature" is that we all have the ability to be Buddha, and probably, in the fullness of time, will be.

How to interpret that in Christian terms?  Well the Buddha is not someone we worship (appearances aside) but someone with certain attributes that we all have as human beings -- intelligence, reasoning, morals, aesthetics, humor, free will, power, purpose, compassion, and so on.  These are attributes of gods.  In a sense we are gods, depending on how broadly or narrowly you define the word.
Yes, and in addition, in christian terms we all have the power of the holy spirit (in christian terms) within us. We all have elements of christ and god within us. We can all be much more like christ or god if we chose to be. We all have the abilty to connect internally and externally to 'god"

You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.

Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.

With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world..

Be cheerful.

Strive to be happy.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:04 AM

Still the point is well taken that to play god would seem to be a way to irritate Him.  This is a theme you see a lot in Indo-European (from India to Persia to Greece to the Celts to the Norse) mythology -- the human being claiming divinity and getting punished for it.  I don't see it so much in the Bible, but we are told in no uncertain terms that Yahweh is a jealous god.  The word the Greeks had for this was hubris, and the word has a similar meaning in English -- the pride that goes before a fall.

We have Buddha nature, but we are not Buddha; we are not Bodhisattva; we are not Erhart; we are not even good monks trying to get enlightened.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:16 AM

Buddhism to start with is not a religion it is a philosophy


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:25 AM

Oh I think it's a religion.  We have temples and rituals and holy days and no-meat days and family shrines and statues of the Buddha all over the place that people burn incense in front of and get on their knees in front of and make fruit offerings to.  Buddhism also runs a network of schools and hospices and charities, to say nothing of all the monasteries.  It is of course a philosophy, but all religions are also a philosophy.  Its just that Buddhism is agnostic about gods and in fact close to hard atheist.  It also doesn't have much dogma and no priests.

I think why many think its just a philosophy -- you don't have to go to temple or do any of the ritual things and still be a good Buddhist.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:45 AM

It isn't religion it is spiritual not religious


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:52 AM

View PostToadie, on 07 March 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

It isn't religion it is spiritual not religious
you seem very insistent on this. Would you care to elaborate further as to why, and why it seems to be very important to you to insist in this?

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 11:55 AM

Buddhists with guns

or guns with Buddhists ?

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