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#1    Black Red Devil

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:12 PM

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CHILDREN as young as 10 could be criminally charged as part of a radical proposal to overhaul Australia's approach to bullying.
A symposium organised by the National Centre Against Bullying (NCAB) and Australian Federal Police will next week consider how laws should be strengthened to fight bullying and cyberbullying.
It's hoped that, as a result of its recommendations, Australia will become the first country in the world to have national laws to address bullying.

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Bullying is an issue but this isn't the solution.  Personally, I think it's crazy.  The more you keep kids away from Laws and criminal charges, the better.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:17 PM

nah, you charge mum and dad. As they're the source of the behaviour.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:31 PM

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When I was young schools could punish kids for their bad behaviour. You could get hours of detention and various public punishments...or even be sent to a 'reform school'. Nowadays the schools can't do much of anything. Instead of putting children into the adult legal system I think we should just give schools back the power necessary to deal with the problem kids.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:54 PM

I agree with you Lilly, a schools hands are pretty much tied anymore.  Their afraid they will be sued and would probably be the ones that went to jail if they did too much.

However I have heard of very young kids murdering someone so I'm not entirely against this.  Some kids go way too far with their bullying.  Some of these kids just keep after other kids until the kid that is being bullied takes their life.  Can't just let it go.

I do think the police should talk to the parents the first time before they arrest the kid and see if the parents can help.  I don't think it should be a criminal charge just because you told someone off or called them a name once.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:54 PM

Supporting the criminalization of violence here.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:07 AM

View PostThe world needs you, on 12 July 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

Supporting the criminalization of violence here.

As young as 10?

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:09 AM

Yes lets criminalize ten year olds...because everyone was a completely rational logical human being entirely aware of how they act at that age :whistle:

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:10 AM

View PostBlack Red Devil, on 13 July 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:



As young as 10?

It would be a mistake to certify them as adults but the juvenile justice system is an adequate forum to address violence committed by minors.

Traditional approaches to bullying failed in the past. Charge them like the little criminals they are. Violence has no place in society especially when heaped on children.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:11 AM

View PostHilander, on 12 July 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

I agree with you Lilly, a schools hands are pretty much tied anymore.  Their afraid they will be sued and would probably be the ones that went to jail if they did too much.

However I have heard of very young kids murdering someone so I'm not entirely against this.  Some kids go way too far with their bullying.  Some of these kids just keep after other kids until the kid that is being bullied takes their life.  Can't just let it go.

I do think the police should talk to the parents the first time before they arrest the kid and see if the parents can help.  I don't think it should be a criminal charge just because you told someone off or called them a name once.

This is going to sound blasphemous to some. BUT most of the time no one kills themselves just because they get bullied at school. They kill themselves when they get bullyed at school and have a messed up home life, its when there is no escape and both sucks..

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:14 AM

View PostLilly, on 12 July 2013 - 11:31 PM, said:

When I was young schools could punish kids for their bad behaviour. You could get hours of detention and various public punishments...or even be sent to a 'reform school'. Nowadays the schools can't do much of anything. Instead of putting children into the adult legal system I think we should just give schools back the power necessary to deal with the problem kids.

I 100 percent agree with this :yes:

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:44 AM

View PostThe world needs you, on 13 July 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

It would be a mistake to certify them as adults but the juvenile justice system is an adequate forum to address violence committed by minors.

Traditional approaches to bullying failed in the past. Charge them like the little criminals they are. Violence has no place in society especially when heaped on children.

Personally I see it more as a case of "two wrongs don't make a right".  While the suggested action might help the bullied, it may scar the bully and because they're 10 year old kids, we're not really talking about punishing criminals are we?

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:01 AM

Part of the problem is we are trying to make boys into girls.  Let boys be boys. Let boys play cowboy and indians, I have never seen a finger gun go off, have any of you.  Let girls be girls, this would mean some of the girls will be tomboys.  I wounder if any of the younger group even knows what that is.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:24 AM

Kids need to learn there are repercussions for their actions. We go from one extreme to the next.  Kids aren't entitled to do what they want just because they are born ( some adults still haven't learnt this).   I taught my daughter rules and what happens when rules are broken.  There are so many kids her age that haven't been taught this.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:33 AM

That's not the issue, daneilost. I wasn't bullied at school because I wasn't masculine enough. That had nothing to do with it. I was different, I didn't partake in their cliques, I thought for myself. That alone is enough to paint you as a target. All I wanted to do was be peaceful and learn and bullies ruined it for me. I didn't fight back because I didn't want to lower myself to their level, and the school was supposed to protect us from violence. But I was beaten up while a whole crowd of kids stood around about ten metres away from a teacher, who only turned around and said anything when I shouted "**** off!". And that was to tell me off for swearing. In fact I think I got into more trouble wagging school to avoid these A-holes than they ever did for being violent and abusive. Public Schools are conformist factories, and it's obvious to me from my experience that they see non-conformity as a worse sin than bullying. I can never prove it, but I believe that they tolerate bullies because they keep the non-conformist kids in line.

And it's not a matter of 'sissification' or men aren't men any more. I played those same cowboy and indian games. I was playing Robo-Cop when I was about 7 years old, nowadays a 7 year old would never be shown such a violent movie. But it didn't make me violent. My parents split when I was twelve and that didn't make me violent either. I don't know what's happening with these bullies to make them violent, but I know most of them are destined for prison anyway so you might as well put them there before they cause too much harm to the decent kids. Either that or send them to the army. Lord knows the ADF needs more cannon fodder.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:00 AM

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Traditional approaches to bullying failed in the past. Charge them like the little criminals they are. Violence has no place in society especially when heaped on children.

Except its part of human - animal - nature, bullying is (not saying its right). It's something almost every single child will do at some time in their life while growing up... so unless you want 95% + of all children "in jail", your system won't work.





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