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[aztek]

Br Cornelius, on 03 January 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

Statistically on a per capita basis Americans having guns has had no effect on the Rape rate -

lol.

that is retarded.
both UK and Australia have HIGHER rape rate than USA.

Australia alone has 3 times the rape rate USA does.
check wiki, UN rape statistics

Edited by aztek, 03 January 2013 - 07:33 PM.

[Br Cornelius]

aztek, on 03 January 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

lol.

that is retarded.
both UK and Australia have HIGHER rape rate than USA.

Australia alone has 3 times the rape rate USA does.
check wiki, UN rape statistics

The UK and the USA have almost exactly the same rape rate. By your contention your access to guns should produce significantly reduced rates. I would say the massively higher Australian rate is culturally driven and has nothing to do with guns.

Br Cornelius

[questionmark]

Br Cornelius, on 03 January 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

The UK and the USA have almost exactly the same rape rate. By your contention your access to guns should produce significantly reduced rates. I would say the massively higher Australian rate is culturally driven and has nothing to do with guns.

Br Cornelius

I would not say culturally but would put it down to a high male/female imbalance. Australia always had many more men than women.

[aztek]

i don't care what it has to do with, and i don't care what you would say or not.

fact is, if you try to rape someone that is armed you have a lot more chances to get shot than if  is she was not armed. and being armed she has a lot more chances not to get raped. that is a fact. we have posters here that prove it with their personal experience.

[Br Cornelius]

questionmark, on 03 January 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

I would not say culturally but would put it down to a high male/female imbalance. Australia always had many more men than women.

They are also a hard drinking culture which always increases all forms of civil violence statistics.

Br Cornelius

[Br Cornelius]

aztek, on 03 January 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

i don't care what it has to do with, and i don't care what you would say or not.

fact is, if you try to rape someone that is armed you have a lot more chances to get shot than if  is she was not armed. and being armed she has a lot more chances not to get raped. that is a fact. we have posters here that prove it with their personal experience.

Show us why the UK and USA are almost exactly the same then - stop repeating a meaningless statement which is not supported by the evidence.

The only explanation which fits your statement is that the American male has a much higher propensity to commit rape and the guns are actually holding the figures down. Personally I don't believe that to be the case.

Br Cornelius

Edited by Br Cornelius, 03 January 2013 - 07:47 PM.

[AsteroidX]

Its not just Obama you need to watch out for. I hope you all know what green lights are for and are wearing your seat belts when driving. Because your next.

http://www.msnbc.msn...s/#.UOXfancbBp5

[aztek]

lol, ratos my a.. s  another wet fantasy.

read statistics
1.00\1,03\1,03

seems pretty close to me.
http://en.wikipedia....es_by_sex_ratio

Br Cornelius, on 03 January 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Show us why the UK and USA are almost exactly the same then - stop repeating a meaningless statement which is not supported by the evidence.

Br Cornelius

lol the evidences right in front of you you choose to ignore it.

i will stop, as soon as you stop bringing irrelevant (any country) into debate about USA.

Edited by aztek, 03 January 2013 - 07:49 PM.

[Br Cornelius]

aztek, on 03 January 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

lol, ratos my a.. s  another wet fantasy.

read statistics
1.00\1,03\1,03

seems pretty close to me.
http://en.wikipedia....es_by_sex_ratio


lol the evidences right in front of you you choose to ignore it.

aztek, on 03 January 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

lol, ratos my a.. s  another wet fantasy.

read statistics
1.00\1,03\1,03

seems pretty close to me.
http://en.wikipedia....es_by_sex_ratio


lol the evidences right in front of you you choose to ignore it.

You have neither a coherent argument or any evidence to support it. Your guns do nothing to stop rape - or you are born rapists. Take your pick.

Br Cornelius

[aztek]

Br Cornelius, on 03 January 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

You have neither a coherent argument or any evidence to support it. Your guns do nothing to stop rape - or you are born rapists. Take your pick.

Br Cornelius

that is stupid, you ignore evidence every time it is presented, why would i want to show you anything else.??

[Br Cornelius]

Look at page four in this survey;

http://www.civitas.o...oecdjan2012.pdf

USA rapes per 100,000 are 28.6
UK rapes per 100,000 are 27.7

Br Cornelius

aztek, on 03 January 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

that is stupid, you ignore evidence every time it is presented, why would i want to show you anything else.??

Br Cornelius

Edited by Br Cornelius, 03 January 2013 - 07:56 PM.

[Rafterman]

Br Cornelius, on 03 January 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

Statistically on a per capita basis Americans having guns has had no effect on the Rape rate - that is the point of comparing with a comparable gunless country like the UK. You may not care - but it is highly relevant to a discussion of do do guns make Americans safer - NO THEY DO NOT according to the evidence, they make you more likely to die from a gunshot wound.

Deny the evidence as much as you like, it seems to be the Republican way.


Br Cornelius

This isn't a Republican/Democrat issue regardless of how much our President and others on the left would like to make it one.  There are a lot of Democrats who own guns and are members of the NRA.  Just like there are many Republicans who are anti-gun.

Regarding the current discussion between you two, I have to wonder if any of your numbers take into account aborted rapes that are not reported.  I'm fairly certain that there's a much higher rate of reporting actual rapes vs aborted rapes where the woman displayed a firearm.

Studies done in the US indicate that upwards of 2 million instances of self defense with firearms go unreported each and every year in the US.  See John Lott's work on the subject.

Edited by Rafterman, 03 January 2013 - 08:09 PM.

[Br Cornelius]

Rafterman, on 03 January 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

This isn't a Republican/Democrat issue regardless of how much our President and others on the left would like to make it one.

Its the the denial of evidence I was pointing out - its endemic among conservatives.

Br Cornelius

[aztek]

lol, you are ether slow. or you think everyone around is.

UK is england, wales, Ireland, Scotland. COMBINED.

add all those, don't just give me data for england alone, or i'll give you data for state of Vermont alone, and you still loose.

now go tell those females that were not raped cuz they were armed, that their gun would not make any difference. lol
i hope poster (i forgot who she is) that did protect herself with a gun against potential rape, comes  and rips you a new one.  you really deserve it.

btw, what do reps, have  to do with it?? i'm not rep. you assumed, just like pretty much everything else. knee jerk reaction, how typical of you

Edited by aztek, 03 January 2013 - 08:14 PM.

[Br Cornelius]

aztek, on 03 January 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

lol, you are ether slow. or you think everyone around is.

UK is england, wales, Ireland, Scotland. COMBINED.

add all those, don't just give me data for england alone, or i'll give you data for state of Vermont alone, and you still loose.

now go tell those females that were not raped cuz they were armed, that their gun would not make any difference. lol

Its per capita which means all numbers are comparable ie normalized to each other - you dumb ass.

The UK drops if you combine them all.

Br Cornelius

Edited by Br Cornelius, 03 January 2013 - 08:12 PM.