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#46    libstaK

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:54 AM

View PostCoffey, on 17 September 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

It's not suicidal in the way that shooting yourself or jumping off a cliff is, which is the way the bible means. The way you are saying would be up to God if he survived or not. (if he actually believed in him)

Anyway can you blame people for wanting the head of such a disgusting organization. (I do not mean Catholics as people, I mean the catholic church itself)
The bible asks you to not put God to the test, it doesn't just mean by suicidal behaviours but by basically saying "no worries, God will protect me, I am special" in any way, shape or form - the cliff is just the scenario put to Jesus in which he quoted that proviso as his reason for not falling for it when the devil dared him.

Yes I can blame them a little, and I don't like Benedict at all.  I was raised a catholic, shunned it for many a year and then made my peace with my heritage but never fell wholly back within it's particular "grasp" - went to more gnostic leanings.

There are disgusting folk in almost every walk of life and yes, they have corrupted the Catholic Church in many arenas - but the WHOLE organisation is not in and of itself disgusting, even with Nicea and it's outcomes which I abhor, I have come to see that many genuine, sincere and altruistic souls also find a way to do good within it's realms.

The catholic church is just as evil and just as good as the sum of mankind itself.

Edited by libstaK, 17 September 2012 - 12:03 PM.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 04:32 PM

View PostlibstaK, on 17 September 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

The bible asks you to not put God to the test, it doesn't just mean by suicidal behaviours but by basically saying "no worries, God will protect me, I am special" in any way, shape or form - the cliff is just the scenario put to Jesus in which he quoted that proviso as his reason for not falling for it when the devil dared him.

Yes I can blame them a little, and I don't like Benedict at all.  I was raised a catholic, shunned it for many a year and then made my peace with my heritage but never fell wholly back within it's particular "grasp" - went to more gnostic leanings.

There are disgusting folk in almost every walk of life and yes, they have corrupted the Catholic Church in many arenas - but the WHOLE organisation is not in and of itself disgusting, even with Nicea and it's outcomes which I abhor, I have come to see that many genuine, sincere and altruistic souls also find a way to do good within it's realms.

The catholic church is just as evil and just as good as the sum of mankind itself.


I disagree, if they used all that money they have to actually do some good and apologize for what they have done, then I would agree. They have caused massive amounts of death and suffering. The death and suffering they could have prevented if they actually wanted to do good.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 06:26 PM

View PostCoffey, on 18 September 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

I disagree, if they used all that money they have to actually do some good and apologize for what they have done, then I would agree. They have caused massive amounts of death and suffering. The death and suffering they could have prevented if they actually wanted to do good.
The issue with the money aka: Vatican hoarded riches I totally agree, they have no need for it and others could benefit - no excuse on their part for that behaviour especially given that if they were generous their congregations would throw more money at them anyway, as folk do when they really respect a cause with integrity.

I doubt there will be an apology, an admission that mistakes were made would be the next best thing, probably won't get that either.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:09 AM

View PostlibstaK, on 17 September 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

So it's not suicidal in the modern age of guns, when one Pope has already been shot to ignore the protection offered by a bullet proof vehicle - I'll bet his security detail would disagree with you.

Was it not gods will to have Pope John Paul the second shot. Or was it gods will to have a Pope mobile. Ahh yes god works in mysterious ways. Guns have been around for hundreds of years and many a Pope has made a murdeous exit from the pulpit.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:11 AM

View PostThe Silver Thong, on 19 September 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Was it not gods will to have Pope John Paul the second shot. Or was it gods will to have a Pope mobile. Ahh yes god works in mysterious ways. Guns have been around for hundreds of years and many a Pope has made a murdeous exit from the pulpit.

To be fair Popes of the past were usually removed by earthly forces of sinister means and in all probability God (if he were to exist) had nothing to do with it..

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 04:33 AM

View Postshaddow134, on 19 September 2012 - 04:11 AM, said:

To be fair Popes of the past were usually removed by earthly forces of sinister means and in all probability God (if he were to exist) had nothing to do with it..


Shhhhh don`t tell anyone but thats what I ment. Not gods will but when people die it`s is gods will. Just to those that believe in god though shhhhh

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