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[seeder]

Crikey, on 27 January 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

1- yes you're right, the aborigines called it Uluru long before Ayers "discovered" it.
2- Today there are all sorts of navigation beacons in different shapes, sizes and colours, for example I can see a red/white striped one across the harbour from my window. Same with ancient stones, they're all different shapes and sizes..

back to aliens needing navigation beacons again eh?  Have you not considered if they exist, that they simply have their sat navs IN THEIR CRAFT?

BTW what harbor do you live near? You say you can see it out the window?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

seeder, on 27 January 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

back to aliens needing navigation beacons again eh?  Have you not considered if they exist, that they simply have their sat navs IN THEIR CRAFT?

BTW what harbor do you live near? You say you can see it out the window?

Sat  nav would presuppose that you had exact data about every metre of the planet, and that therefore you'd thoroughly mapped it already. If, however, it was found that naturally occuring "beacons", such as energy focii, could be used for finding your way about a planet that you were exploring or had business on, would that necessarily be a completely Preposterous idea?

Edited by Lord Vetinari, 27 January 2013 - 03:15 PM.

[zoser]

DingoLingo, on 26 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

zoser.. please come back.. at least you come across a little more intelligent then TSR..

I hear you.  I'm like the roadworks on the M25.  Challenging to habits but always around.

[Oniomancer]

Lord Vetinari, on 27 January 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

Sat  nav would presuppose that you had exact data about every metre of the planet, and that therefore you'd thoroughly mapped it already. If, however, it was found that naturally occuring "beacons", such as energy focii, could be used for finding your way about a planet that you were exploring or had business on, would that necessarily be a completely Preposterous idea?

If there were naturally occurring beacons, wouldn't that eliminate the need for artificial ones?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Oniomancer, on 27 January 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

If there were naturally occurring beacons, wouldn't that eliminate the need for artificial ones?

If you're asking why don't we make use of this technology now, then simple; we've forgotten how to, or we don't recognise that it exists any more, or we laugh at those who argue that there might even be, or might once have been, such a thing, and call them deluded fools and simpletons. :-/

[Oniomancer]

Lord Vetinari, on 27 January 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

If you're asking why don't we make use of this technology now, then simple; we've forgotten how to, or we don't recognise that it exists any more, or we laugh at those who argue that there might even be, or might once have been, such a thing, and call them deluded fools and simpletons. :-/

And if that's not what I'm asking?

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Are you asking why would the hypothetical ETs construct these beacons, then, if these rocks were naturally occuring? I wish people would make clear what they were asking. Well, if that's what you're asking, these rocks are naturally occurring, aren't they, they just need to be set up in a certain way to focus the energy right. What they may have done is realised that there are energy patterns around the planet, (there probably are around all planets), and that this could be exploited by setting up these beacons as a foolproof way of navigating, at least in those areas where the right type of rock was naturally occurring. Maybe that's why there were so many saucer crashes in the USA; it didn't have the right geology, or not in those parts of it anyway.

[Abramelin]

You'd think these 'advanced aliens' had scanning/sensing equipment onboard; they must've traveled across the galaxy.

And thus no need for erecting huge megaliths as beacons.

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Edited by Abramelin, 27 January 2013 - 05:15 PM.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Abramelin, on 27 January 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

You'd think these 'advanced aliens' had scanning/sensing equipment onboard; they must've traveled across the galaxy.

And thus no need for erecting huge megaliths as beacons.

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Well, how do you think they'd pick up the energy grid? Of course they would, but surely it'd be obvious that if something was a reliable focus of energy, that would be a sensible thing to use as a marker point, particularly if they'd travelled across the Galazy.

[seeder]

Lord Vetinari, on 27 January 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

Well, how do you think they'd pick up the energy grid? Of course they would, but surely it'd be obvious that if something was a reliable focus of energy, that would be a sensible thing to use as a marker point, particularly if they'd travelled across the Galazy.

But there is no energy grid.

And if the can make interstellar flight Im sure they've figured out a reliable and plentiful source of energy in the first place

[Oniomancer]

Lord Vetinari, on 27 January 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Are you asking why would the hypothetical ETs construct these beacons, then, if these rocks were naturally occuring? I wish people would make clear what they were asking. Well, if that's what you're asking, these rocks are naturally occurring, aren't they, they just need to be set up in a certain way to focus the energy right. What they may have done is realised that there are energy patterns around the planet, (there probably are around all planets), and that this could be exploited by setting up these beacons as a foolproof way of navigating, at least in those areas where the right type of rock was naturally occurring. Maybe that's why there were so many saucer crashes in the USA; it didn't have the right geology, or not in those parts of it anyway.

I don't see how I could've made it much clearer.

If these natural sources are emitting signals though, wouldn't it be easier to just orient on them as they are instead? How hard is it for an interstellar navigator to calculate a position so many kellicams S-SW of Preseli or what have you? And why have multiple beacons within a few miles of each other, or in some cases only a few hundred yards?
Assuming these stones were really so unique, which seems unlikely, if the AA were capable of moving them as easily as the theory suggests, why didn't they simply quarry and import them to these other areas? Clearly from some of the circles it doesn't take very big stones, which is a point in itself.

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 27 January 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

You'd think these 'advanced aliens' had scanning/sensing equipment onboard; they must've traveled across the galaxy.

And thus no need for erecting huge megaliths as beacons.

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The megaliths were energy radiating devices that transformed vibrational energy into electrical energy.  Isn't that what quartz does?  

The andesite in Peru and Bolivia and also the granite in Egypt performed this function.

The point is well made among ancient alien proponents:

In modern times we only expend huge effort (precision, technical and physical) when we plan for a return on the investment.

Examples are power stations and hydro dams.

What makes anyone think that the ancients were any different?  

Unless one thinks that they had unlimited man years available to perform these cyclopedian achievements; notwithstanding their available technology this is simply unreasonable.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Oniomancer, on 27 January 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

I don't see how I could've made it much clearer.

If these natural sources are emitting signals though, wouldn't it be easier to just orient on them as they are instead? How hard is it for an interstellar navigator to calculate a position so many kellicams S-SW of Preseli or what have you? And why have multiple beacons within a few miles of each other, or in some cases only a few hundred yards?
Assuming these stones were really so unique, which seems unlikely, if the AA were capable of moving them as easily as the theory suggests, why didn't they simply quarry and import them to these other areas? Clearly from some of the circles it doesn't take very big stones, which is a point in itself.

No, no, the idea is that the stone Circles concentrated and focussed the energy so it could be used as a Beacon from long distances; much the same principle, in fact, as these.





http://en.wikipedia....rectional_range

[Babe Ruth]

seeder, on 27 January 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

back to aliens needing navigation beacons again eh?  Have you not considered if they exist, that they simply have their sat navs IN THEIR CRAFT?

BTW what harbor do you live near? You say you can see it out the window?

Which satellites is their 'satnav' navigating reference to?

My guess it's not satellite based navigation, it's navigation through time and dimensions, guided by sources we are not familiar with, do not know they exist.

And who knows the foreign craft did not derive energy from certain of these structures?  They've already constructed a replica of the Gaza pyramid complete with interior tunnels and demonstrated energy generation by mixing two common substances in the right place and a predictable chemical reaction takes place.  So, why not? With the microwave product of that reaction being some sort of energy ray emitted upwards in the sky.

[seeder]

Babe Ruth, on 27 January 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:

Which satellites is their 'satnav' navigating reference to?

My guess it's not satellite based navigation, it's navigation through time and dimensions, guided by sources we are not familiar with, do not know they exist.

And who knows the foreign craft did not derive energy from certain of these structures?  They've already constructed a replica of the Gaza pyramid complete with interior tunnels and demonstrated energy generation by mixing two common substances in the right place and a predictable chemical reaction takes place.  So, why not? With the microwave product of that reaction being some sort of energy ray emitted upwards in the sky.

ha no satellites of course, it was just making a point about being able to navigate quite well with whatever they may have on board

But Aliens have never been here anyway.

Please tell me more about your Gaza replica and "energy generation by mixing two common substances"? With a link too please? Im quite fascinated to discover more