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#766    Leftcoastgal

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:22 PM

Arias lawyers wanted to withdraw but were denied

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press | May 16, 2013 | Updated: May 16, 2013 10:34am

http://www.chron.com...ied-4520865.php

The article doesn't offer much in the way of detail or explanation, but it's not the first time Nurmi in particular has requested reassignment from this case.  JA's press conference minutes after her conviction was so bizarre it defies all attempts to understand it within normal parameters.  Guess that's key,  isn't it..."normal"?  She clearly isn't crazy but she's a long long way from resembling normal.  I still lean to the jury finding for the DP. They have been astute in following letter of the law and if ever a case met the criteria, this one does.  Unless some earth shattering mitigation is presented at the last phase, the jury will send her to death row.  I really believe this now that we've seen them deliver the conviction for 1st degree/premeditated, diligently applying the instructions as provided them by the court.

JA's mother was overheard, when the verdict was read, as having said "this is the beginning of the end".  I hope she has a strong spiritual connection to help her get through this.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:32 PM

I still don't see the DP bing used in this case. It's a young woman.   That'll be enought to stop the DP.


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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:10 PM

Granted, it's much more unusual for convicted women to get the DP, but it does happen. There are two women in AZ right now that are on death row, according to something I heard yesterday.  Eileen Wernos (so?) who was the subject of the movie "Monster" was about the same age as JA and she was put to death. Unless the defense team are going to pull a rabbit out off a hat, I have heard nothing about JA's past that suggests a single mitigating factor. I really think JA's goose is cooked--unless she really does want to get the DP.

I heard something today that raised a question: Travis Alexander went unfound for a long time.  How long was it before he was discovered, and why ?


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:28 AM

After she's put to death, is the angry mob so ghoulish with that DP-fever finally going to chill out?   Can we then fist pump the end of this catastrophic waste of time and move on to the next cutie patootie?  :D

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:31 PM

View PostAaronsmom, on 16 May 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

I heard something today that raised a question: Travis Alexander went unfound for a long time.  How long was it before he was discovered, and why ?

Alexander was murdered on June 4th, and his body was discovered June 9th.
His trip to Cancun with Mimi Hall was scheduled for June 10th.
When Mimi Hall and other friends of Alexander's had been unable to reach him, they got together and went knocking on his door.
One of Alexander's roommates was home watching a movie with his girlfriend (now his wife) and he said he assumed Alexander had already left on the trip.

The impression I have is that Alexander and the two roommates simply didn't inform one another of each others plans and schedules.
I think that since Alexander's car was there and that his bedroom door was locked, then it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that Alexander had left the home by some other means.
I think any alarm from the roommates over those four days wouldn't have been necessarily logical.

Re: those close to Alexander, I think it's most likely that if anyone was concerned, they obviously gave the situation the benefit of the doubt.
Re: his family, I believe Alexander was the only member of his family to live in Arizona.

Edited by regi, 17 May 2013 - 01:44 PM.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 05:36 PM

Thanks for filling me in Regi.  That's weird he was in there the whole time and no one knew.  How was Jodi able to lock the door from outside the room? Oh, you are right; Travis A. was the only sibling to live in Ariz.


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 12:17 PM

View PostAaronsmom, on 17 May 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

Thanks for filling me in Regi.  

My pleasure. :tu:

View PostAaronsmom, on 17 May 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

How was Jodi able to lock the door from outside the room?

I doubt she did...I doubt it was necessary to use a key to lock the door...surely it could be locked from the inside. It must have been an ordinary interior door lock, except that it took a key to unlock from the outside. (Those sort of locks are usually used on exterior doors.)

I neglected to add earlier that the roommate said that they kept spare keys downstairs somewhere, and that it was with one of those that they were able to unlock the door.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 05:50 PM

View PostLeftcoastgal, on 16 May 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

Arias lawyers wanted to withdraw but were denied

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press | May 16, 2013 | Updated: May 16, 2013 10:34am

http://www.chron.com...ied-4520865.php

The article doesn't offer much in the way of detail or explanation, but it's not the first time Nurmi in particular has requested reassignment from this case.  JA's press conference minutes after her conviction was so bizarre it defies all attempts to understand it within normal parameters.  Guess that's key,  isn't it..."normal"?  She clearly isn't crazy but she's a long long way from resembling normal.  I still lean to the jury finding for the DP. They have been astute in following letter of the law and if ever a case met the criteria, this one does.  Unless some earth shattering mitigation is presented at the last phase, the jury will send her to death row.  I really believe this now that we've seen them deliver the conviction for 1st degree/premeditated, diligently applying the instructions as provided them by the court.

JA's mother was overheard, when the verdict was read, as having said "this is the beginning of the end".  I hope she has a strong spiritual connection to help her get through this.

First, after 5+ months of seeing JA for the sociopath that she is, does it truly surprise you that JA arranged the interview? And, for the record, JA's mother did NOT say "This is the beginning of the end." Beth Karas and Jean Casarez of HLN both said that Mrs. Arias was silent when the verdict was read and remained silent until she was in the elevator.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 10:10 PM

Hopefully Jodi will be sentenced to life behind bars so some people will be able to buy her autobiography and do more TV interviews in a couple of years.   I do believe there's a market for those products.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 10:52 PM

Well she`s going to present her paintings, that she says all the money is going for women abuse victims of domestic violence, like thats really going to get her off in the cruelity way she killed poor Travis.


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:00 AM

I thought she already sold her paintings to buy food.  In any case, it'll largely be up to Nancy Grace's audience to determine how much of a celebrity she'll be.

I bet Nancy Grace staffers are on the case, searching low and high for her most successful recipe to date, another cute murderer who killed a cute victim.   It's TV magic, and HLN is desperate for ratings.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:22 PM

View Postrimbaudelaire, on 19 May 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

after 5+ months of seeing JA for the sociopath that she is, does it truly surprise you that JA arranged the interview?

In retrospect, it's not surprising, but that it occurred, yes, it's stunning because I don't know if it's ever happened before that a murderer had a sit-down interview mere minutes after conviction.


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 12:40 PM

View PostAaronsmom, on 16 May 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Travis Alexander went unfound for a long time.  How long was it before he was discovered, and why ?

You know what? The roommate apparently wasn't aware that Alexander's bedroom door was locked. He'd appeared to have had no concern about Alexander's where-abouts whats-so-ever until Alexander's friends (his description of them) came to the house looking for him.

View PostAaronsmom, on 17 May 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

How was Jodi able to lock the door from outside the room?

I should have said that I'm sure the bedroom door had the sort of DOORKNOB that was one of those used on exterior doors, not the 'sort of lock'... :blush:
(I try to be as precise as possible, you see! :yes: )


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 05:37 PM

View Postrimbaudelaire, on 19 May 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

... does it truly surprise you that JA arranged the interview? And, for the record, JA's mother did NOT say "This is the beginning of the end." Beth Karas and Jean Casarez of HLN both said that Mrs. Arias was silent when the verdict was read and remained silent until she was in the elevator.


No, the arranging of the interview not surprising at all.  I was shocked by the immediacy of JA's drive or need to comment on the verdict, even given her thirst for attention, I'd have thought she might need time to digest the outcome before spouting off again.

Actually it was one of those gals, don't recall which one, while reporting for HLN,  who made the comment about what JA's mother had said. The reporter was on television in a call with N-Grace when she described it.  Of all the characters on that network, Beth Karas & Jean Casarez are the two who I tend to find most grounded, least biased on the whole and accurate in their reporting.   Above all else in comparison to other personalities at HLN, neither are prone to offensive comments that are stock in trade for this group, IMO.  In any event, it wasn't a comment pulled from a court clip so can't say I witnessed it  being spoken by Mrs. Arias, but hearing it described as overheard by one of the two mentioned above I didn't question it as having occurred.  Hardly matters here in the forum.  Mrs. Arias carries this burden with her heart, a mother's heart, yet another victim on the periphery of JA's deeds.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 04:32 PM

Jagged and biased TV personalities are the secret sauce a for-profit network like HLN needs to serve the corn feed to the masses.   How many millions have they raked in thanks to Jodi Arias?   If only they didn't hide their giggles when their back pockets are taking in all that profit as they rail, rant and ridicule their cute little controversies they gleefully manufacture for us, then I might start to make more sense around here.  

Good night friend.

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