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[Arbitran]

conspiracyparanormal, on 12 April 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

So, you are saying there is no devil, and thus implying there is no God?

I didn't say anything about God. But yes, your conclusions are correct. I don't believe in God, or the Devil.

(Although I don't really see how denying the existence of the Devil would intrinsically imply that I deny the existence of God.)

In any case, I don't believe in either.

[conspiracyparanormal]

conspiracyparanormal, on 12 April 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

So, you are saying there is no devil, and thus implying there is no God?

By the way, the Bible is full of dates and places and names and genealogies. Read Genesis. You can trace the dates mentioned in the Bible to get the date of the great flood around 2344 BC.

[Arbitran]

conspiracyparanormal, on 12 April 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

By the way, the Bible is full of dates and places and names and genealogies. Read Genesis. You can trace the dates mentioned in the Bible to get the date of the great flood around 2344 BC.

You would have to have at least one set date in the Bible however for "tracing" genealogies to be feasible. As far as I'm aware, there are no set dates (apart from a few which contradict each other; i.e. the date of Jesus' birth).

Also, you would need proper Hebrew numerals for that to work correctly. Most Bibles today use mistranslated integers (for instance, 500 and 600 instead of 105 and 106; the ages of Noah at the start and finish of the ark's construction).

Also, as a question... Do you imply that the human species has only existed for a few millennia?

[conspiracyparanormal]

conspiracyparanormal, on 12 April 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

By the way, the Bible is full of dates and places and names and genealogies. Read Genesis. You can trace the dates mentioned in the Bible to get the date of the great flood around 2344 BC.

Of course, if you don't believe in the devil, or in God, then the Bible means nothing to you. Most of what I post will bear Christian testimony. I am not here to convince anyone to believe anything, but I am here to share perspectives that perhaps a few individuals may find enlightening. I may answer a few questions for those actually seeking truth in a sea of misconceptions and disbelief.

I imagine the vast majority of readers will think most of what I share is utter nonsense. But that does not make me wrong.

[Arbitran]

conspiracyparanormal, on 12 April 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

Of course, if you don't believe in the devil, or in God, then the Bible means nothing to you. Most of what I post will bear Christian testimony. I am not here to convince anyone to believe anything, but I am here to share perspectives that perhaps a few individuals may find enlightening. I may answer a few questions for those actually seeking truth in a sea of misconceptions and disbelief.

I imagine the vast majority of readers will think most of what I share is utter nonsense. But that does not make me wrong.

The Bible doesn't mean nothing to me. There are bits and pieces that are possibly factual or distantly so. But yes, on the whole, I choose not to believe a book written by bloodthirsty Bronze Age Palestinian nomadic goatherds. Why should they have any particular insight into the origins of the universe?
At least the Hindu texts can be said to validate themselves through science. I don't see the speed of light written in the Bible anywhere.

[conspiracyparanormal]

Arbitran, on 12 April 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

You would have to have at least one set date in the Bible however for "tracing" genealogies to be feasible. As far as I'm aware, there are no set dates (apart from a few which contradict each other; i.e. the date of Jesus' birth).

Also, you would need proper Hebrew numerals for that to work correctly. Most Bibles today use mistranslated integers (for instance, 500 and 600 instead of 105 and 106; the ages of Noah at the start and finish of the ark's construction).

Also, as a question... Do you imply that the human species has only existed for a few millennia?

Mortality began on Earth around 4000 BC, after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. To me, that means humans have inhabited the earth for about 6,000 years, maybe 7,000 if you consider that Adam and Eve were on the earth about a millennium prior to eating the fruit.

But, humans indigenous to other worlds have inhabited those worlds long before this earth was ever created. My blog link explains my take on this as well, in some detail, with scriptural hyperlinks to back up what I am saying.

[Arbitran]

conspiracyparanormal, on 12 April 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Mortality began on Earth around 4000 BC, after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. To me, that means humans have inhabited the earth for about 6,000 years, maybe 7,000 if you consider that Adam and Eve were on the earth about a millennium prior to eating the fruit.

But, humans indigenous to other worlds have inhabited those worlds long before this earth was ever created. My blog link explains my take on this as well, in some detail, with scriptural hyperlinks to back up what I am saying.

Any evidence for this? At all?

Could you also cite a reference to anywhere in the Bible where it says that Adam and Hhavah were alive for a millennium before eating the fruit? I don't recall any such reference.

[Arbitran]

conspiracyparanormal, on 12 April 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Mortality began on Earth around 4000 BC, after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. To me, that means humans have inhabited the earth for about 6,000 years, maybe 7,000 if you consider that Adam and Eve were on the earth about a millennium prior to eating the fruit.

But, humans indigenous to other worlds have inhabited those worlds long before this earth was ever created. My blog link explains my take on this as well, in some detail, with scriptural hyperlinks to back up what I am saying.

Any evidence for this? At all?

Could you also cite a reference to anywhere in the Bible where it says that Adam and Hhavah were alive for a millennium before eating the fruit? I don't recall any such reference.

[psyche101]

conspiracyparanormal, on 12 April 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Mortality began on Earth around 4000 BC, after Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit. To me, that means humans have inhabited the earth for about 6,000 years, maybe 7,000 if you consider that Adam and Eve were on the earth about a millennium prior to eating the fruit.

But, humans indigenous to other worlds have inhabited those worlds long before this earth was ever created. My blog link explains my take on this as well, in some detail, with scriptural hyperlinks to back up what I am saying.

Are you quite sure you are in the correct forum for this discussion? It seems the sort of stuff that would be better suited to a religion or conspiracy thread. This is ET Life and the UFO phenomena.

[Arbitran]

psyche101, on 12 April 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

Are you quite sure you are in the correct forum for this discussion? It seems the sort of stuff that would be better suited to a religion or conspiracy thread. This is ET Life and the UFO phenomena.

I say he should stay: he might actually learn something here.

[psyche101]

Arbitran, on 12 April 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

I say he should stay: he might actually learn something here.

I have to give that one to you! Excellent point there Arbitran!

[conspiracyparanormal]

psyche101, on 12 April 2012 - 04:34 AM, said:

I have to give that one to you! Excellent point there Arbitran!

Thanks for letting me stay. You guys rule! And you are right. I might learn a thing or two.

[psyche101]

conspiracyparanormal, on 12 April 2012 - 04:44 AM, said:

Thanks for letting me stay. You guys rule! And you are right. I might learn a thing or two.

[Arbitran]

conspiracyparanormal, on 12 April 2012 - 04:44 AM, said:

Thanks for letting me stay. You guys rule! And you are right. I might learn a thing or two.

You are welcome. Pleased to make your acquaintance.

[quillius]

Arbitran, on 11 April 2012 - 06:59 AM, said:

Some sects may regard the cow as a god--in the same sense however that I believe in the gods: as an extraterrestrial. Yes, I've heard that some sects in India believe that the cow is an extraterrestrial animal. .

hmmm, I spent quite some time last week trying to find a 'reason' for cattle mutilations (ok ok I was looking for a reason why ET would pick cows)....is this the link?    

psyche101, on 12 April 2012 - 12:56 AM, said:

Gidday Mate
I am glad it has toned down as well, But as I always say, I am OK with personal belief, jus not personal facts ;)Cheers.

good man. And yes I agree with your comments on belief versus fact, I actually feel the same even as a believer.

I am glad this debate is now progressing nicely, you both seem to have very good knowledge and the fact that you are on opposites sides..makes it work well.

unlike nopeda on a similar thread who has maybe pushed too many of your buttons