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#61    aztek

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:22 AM

View PostAus Der Box Skeptisch, on 01 February 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

OK now that I have had some interaction with you I can safely say your pretty much useless in a conversation.

the feeling is mutual,

adios amigo

Edited by aztek, 01 February 2013 - 07:22 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:24 AM

Aus Der Box Skeptisch, the very idea you gave is pretty vague if not, can be used for good or bad. Social Breakdown, Nervous Breakdowns, and other forms of mental issues. In my opinion, we shouldn't limit the guns at all regardless if what people think or not, it is after all ingrained into the constitution. But we should get help for those who are suffering from mental problems. The lack of mental help and increasing control of guns creates a unstable environment of America which is unique to others. Our problems are completely different than the worlds, we can't find anywhere were we can relate except for a few.  Remember those who had mental breakdowns are actually people who are highly intelligent and put under loads of pressure, then they snap because they are being mistreated or feel mistreated. The actually snap happens months before mass shootings happen, because they plan and plan, they look for ways to overcome their obstacles like a intelligent person does. Sometimes they travel abroad to other states to get a gun or they kill gun owner and steal the gun to use later, after that happen their plan is set into motion. Methodically they head to their predetermine area of mass shooting, then locking those people in before he or she attacks. Because no one has a gun to counter this individual, we are faced with the fact that dozens or even hundreds of people can be mowed down before the police actually arrive.

I suggested individuals who own guns and there to protect the citizens should be located in public domains, thus allow for someone to hinder or stop the lone gunman. But the individual probably could snap, that is why you have mental evaluations of the person do that job monthly, thus ensuring you are not letting a deranged into the position. You don't have to limit guns as a knee jerk reaction, you need to actually study the problem and figure out a solution for it. Opinion on what a solution does sometimes fall along a person party lines, of course I have no party lines at all. Yes an assault rifle can do loads of damage, so can a lone gunman with a single shot rifle and tons of magazines, it really doesn't matter what gun they use because there is no one to stop them. Sometimes killing the gunman is not ideal, but it is the only option left because there is no reasoning with him or her.

Edited by Uncle Sam, 01 February 2013 - 07:42 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:34 AM

View PostUncle Sam, on 01 February 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

Aus Der Box Skeptisch, the very idea you gave is pretty vague if not, can be used for good or bad. Social Breakdown, Nervous Breakdowns, and other forms of mental issues. In my opinion, we shouldn't limit the guns at all regardless if what people think or not, it is after all ingrained into the constitution. But we should get help for those who are suffering from mental problems. The lack of mental help and increasing control of guns creates a unstable environment of America which is unique to others. Our problems are completely different than the worlds, we can't find anywhere were we can relate except for a few.  Remember those who had mental breakdowns are actually people who are highly intelligent and put under loads of pressure, then they snap because they are being mistreated or feel mistreated. The actually snap happens months before mass shootings happen, because they plan and plan, they look for ways to overcome their obstacles like a intelligent person does. Sometimes they travel abroad to other states to get a gun or they kill gun owner and steal the gun to use later, after that happen their plan is set into motion. Methodically they head to their predetermine area of mass shooting, then locking those people in before he or she attacks. Because no one has a gun to counter this individual, we are faced with the fact that dozens or even hundreds of people can be mowed down before the police actually arrive.

I suggested individuals who own guns and there to protect the citizens should be located in public domains, thus allow for someone to hinder or stop the lone gunman. But the individual probably could snap, that is why you have mental evaluations of the person do that job monthly, thus ensuring you are not letting a deranged into the position. You don't have to limit guns as a knee jerk reaction, you need to actually study the problem and figure out a solution for it. Opinion on what a solution does sometimes fall along a person party lines, of course I have no party lines at all. Yes an assault rifle can do loads of damage, so can a lone gunman with a single shot rifle and tons of magazines, it really doesn't matter what gun they use because there is no one to stop them. Sometimes killing the gunman is not ideal, but it is the only option left because there is no reasoning with him or her.
You see this is what I was hoping for. An intelligent response with a bit of thought into the subject.
I agree with the idea your portraying. Maybe not to the letter but that's of no consequence. Thank you for responding. While I don't agree everyone is capable of responsiblyowning a firearm the majority are and should not be punished forever. I think mandatory education is a good first step. As far as mental health as I said I don't think people should be punished for seeking help.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:42 AM

View PostAus Der Box Skeptisch, on 01 February 2013 - 07:34 AM, said:

You see this is what I was hoping for. An intelligent response with a bit of thought into the subject.
I agree with the idea your portraying. Maybe not to the letter but that's of no consequence. Thank you for responding. While I don't agree everyone is capable of responsiblyowning a firearm the majority are and should not be punished forever. I think mandatory education is a good first step. As far as mental health as I said I don't think people should be punished for seeking help.

You know alone on the fact there is very little to no education what-so-ever about gun safety and gun handling classes. I think we should hold them, because it teaches and even burns the safety measures into the individuals mind, thus making it second nature for them to handle a gun. Kids will know what they are for, what they can be used for, and why we need them. Also notice loads of parents don't hold their children accountable for their actions, this also creates a unstable atmosphere for the children. A parent that is involved in their children's lives is an good parent, luckily for me, I paid attention to my parents and learned from their mistakes. As for my morals of know right and wrong, I looked up to my founding fathers and heroic figures, because I want to be a person who saves life but doesn't judge to quickly, understands the problems and tries to find the right solutions.

As for questionmark, he states things that baffle me and makes me question his sanity. He doesn't acknowledge what I am say, he holds confrontational conversations with me which makes don't even want to hold a debate with him. He doesn't take the time to explain his reason behind his opinion and logic, he throws up useless facts that can be look at in different views that doesn't help or hinder his argument. Instead of being crafty with his words, he needs to be more direct and make sense on the topics he talk about. But I do give him one thing, I become extremely hostile when someone from a foreign nation tells me I should get rid of the constitution. I view it as an foreign national forcing his views upon my beliefs, stating me and millions of other Americans are idiots for wanting to uphold the constitution.

Edited by Uncle Sam, 01 February 2013 - 07:43 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:58 AM

Ah questionmark is a good Guy with quite a bit of interesting experience. He tends to only become unreasonable with those who approach him in an unreasonable fashion. I've had quite a bit of great conversation with very successful conversations/debates over the last few years here on UM.  He asks the same as I do. Approach me with a conversation as an adult. That's all. You see how aztek approached versus how you approached this conversation and the results each of you received. Though I don't think that's limited to just me or questionmark I think everyone feels the same way.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:01 AM

BTW I just thought I'd add I think your spot on with parents and how important they are in childhood development.

Edited by Aus Der Box Skeptisch, 01 February 2013 - 08:02 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:04 AM

View PostAus Der Box Skeptisch, on 01 February 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

Ah questionmark is a good Guy with quite a bit of interesting experience. He tends to only become unreasonable with those who approach him in an unreasonable fashion. I've had quite a bit of great conversation with very successful conversations/debates over the last few years here on UM.  He asks the same as I do. Approach me with a conversation as an adult. That's all. You see how aztek approached versus how you approached this conversation and the results each of you received. Though I don't think that's limited to just me or questionmark I think everyone feels the same way.

You can understand me getting upset when someone is telling me my constitution is useless? The constitution is one of the founding documents of my nation, of my ancestors who only wants what is best for us Americans. Yes times change, but the document will always be valid in the eyes of the America. It is the golden rule we live by. Adding new amendments that allows for more rights is nice, but taking away is a big no-no in the eyes of patriot Americans. I just happen to be one of them.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:12 AM

Patriot Americans is subjective. Case in point the patriot act that patriotic Americans were so proud of when they first enacted it. One of the top three things that have been terrible for America and freedom. Given away due to what I call and instant gratification decision.



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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:19 AM

View PostAus Der Box Skeptisch, on 01 February 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

Patriot Americans is subjective. Case in point the patriot act that patriotic Americans were so proud of when they first enacted it. One of the top three things that have been terrible for America and freedom. Given away due to what I call and instant gratification decision.

Your talking about band-aid solutions that have short lasting effect, instead of long lasting solutions. An patriot wants what is only best for the people, but he will do so in a manner that is well-thought, meaning we must put our all into finding the solution, like our founding fathers spend countless days writing up the declaration of independence and the constitution. A patriot also is willing to lay down their lives to protect the constitution and the people of this great nation. For others to understand, they must understand that they just fought a tyrant state for 2 years and they knew there would be a time again we must do so. They knew that one day, we will have to do it again, reason for the creation of the 2nd amendment. Those that don't believe power will draw the corrupt, they are either blind or ignorant of human nature.

Edited by Uncle Sam, 01 February 2013 - 08:20 AM.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:25 AM

UNC thanks for the conversation tonight. I'm heading in now. See you around.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:43 AM

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I suggested individuals who own guns and there to protect the citizens should be located in public domains,

security guards are some the most angry people Ive encountered. If we plan on changing the scope of the job we need to change the type of people doing it and likely the pay scale.. I mean like for real. The security guards today can be very ill trained and Im not sure I want them having guns.

It would be so much nicer if we had a  society where that wasnt even necessary.


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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:46 AM

View PostAsteroidX, on 01 February 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

security guards are some the most angry people Ive encountered. If we plan on changing the scope of the job we need to change the type of people doing it and likely the pay scale.. I mean like for real. The security guards today can be very ill trained and Im not sure I want them having guns.

It would be so much nicer if we had a  society where that wasnt even necessary.

True... but sadly our society isn't like that and we need security guards. Proper screening and evaluations is what we need for security guards.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 08:47 AM

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You know alone on the fact there is very little to no education what-so-ever about gun safety and gun handling classes

gun safety classes should be like CPR classes. CPR card has to be updated every 2 years for every medical worker. Those that have cwp permit or carry a gun on the job can certainly maintain a gun safety class biannually.

And it creates jobs.


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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:45 AM

View Postrashore, on 31 January 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

I think Chicago wouldn't be so bad if some of the neighborhoods weren't so scary that even the cops are afraid to go there at night. I'm pretty sure that was part of the point of blue lights. Even during the day some neighborhoods are pretty frigging scary.
When ANY neighborhood reaches that point I think tactical units should be employed to go hunting.  Take the fight to THEM, make THEM afraid.  Call it what it is - evil in control, total lawlessness.  If it flourishes anywhere it grows.  Sound like war?  That's because it IS.

  We've cast the world, we've set the stage,
  for what could be, the darkest age...

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 10:08 AM

Give the people a govnmt thats trustworthy first or that "tac" unit be shooting grandmas and grandpas in those communities. Theres a long history of distrust in them towards law enforcement. Its not just the gangs.





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