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#16    bison

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:40 PM

Most funding for the Allen Telescope Array is private money. The exception is the money they receive from the United States Air Force for providing them satellite tracking services on a part-time, trial basis. Its not clear how the discovery of a hostile species, via their radio signals, could worsen the situation. It just might be better to be forewarned.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:58 PM

View PostRyu, on 15 November 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

We have real problems to attend to in this country and money is being wasted on something that has no benefit to the common person.
First of all, it was a private donation.  The world needs more private donation for underfunded research and science.  Good on Qualcomm.

Secondly, $3.5 million would fund the US military for about 3 minutes.

If you want to complain about wasteful pointless spending, this isn't even a drop in the ocean of stupidly spent money.

No, it's not curing cancer.  But not everything has to have an immediate and obvious benefit to be worth spending some time and money on.  All sorts of blue sky research has lead to tangible real world benefits in the long run.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:59 PM

Fine..it was a private donation. That still doesn't address what this SETI thing has done for us.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:06 PM

View Postzoser, on 15 November 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Sorry; I believe that the particle accelerator projects are nothing more than a few bored scientists looking to justify their existence.  The whole enterprise has yielded nothing as far as I can tell and should have the plug pulled ASAP.  Nothing but a huge scientific scam.
That's because you are scientifically ignorant of the real world benefits of this kind of blue sky research.

MRI scans, PET scans and other forms of nuclear medicine, lasers, etc. are some of the real world benefits that the kind of fundamental quantum physics research that CERN, Fermilab, etc. have done in the past.  Research that had no obviously direct benefits at the time, but has proven to have helped diagnose and treating cancer.   These technologies only exist due to scientists doing fundamental science research without concern for immediate real world benefits.

I agree with the poster above, the anti-science prejudice is astounding.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 09:08 PM

View PostRyu, on 15 November 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

Fine..it was a private donation. That still doesn't address what this SETI thing has done for us.
It hasn't done anything yet.  But is "what is it doing for me?" really a valid justification for stopping what is ultimately a drop in the ocean of spending?

May as well complain about a runny nose when you are bleeding to death via a gunshot wound.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

Even if SETI were to find intelligent life forms that can communicate with us, I doubt we will be told about it. Well maybe until like 30 years after life has been found. But its good to hear that there are people who still fund underfunded research projects.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:57 PM

View Postzoser, on 15 November 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Sorry; I believe that the particle accelerator projects are nothing more than a few bored scientists looking to justify their existence.  The whole enterprise has yielded nothing as far as I can tell and should have the plug pulled ASAP.  Nothing but a huge scientific scam.

Says the guy communicating with somebody across an ocean instantaneously on a computer connected to the internet.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:10 PM

View PostRyu, on 15 November 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

Fine..it was a private donation. That still doesn't address what this SETI thing has done for us.

I didn't realize that increasing our knowledge of the universe that we inhabit was a bad thing.
Besides, SETI has an entire R&D division that has developed new signal processing algorithms (that tech can be used for pretty much everything in our modern world) and have helped advance radio astronomy with new tech.  Not to mention all the engineers, technicians, scientists, pr people, administrators and even educators that they employ.

Plus, almost every self made computer millionaire invests in SETI. David Packard, William Hewlett, Gordon Moore (Intel), Paul Allen (Microsoft), Bill Gates, Barney Oliver (Founder HP Labs). In the past, these people have shown that they know where to make good investments.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:10 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 15 November 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Says the guy communicating with somebody across an ocean instantaneously on a computer connected to the internet.
Yes, the World Wide Web was invented by one of zoser's 'bored scientists' working at the world's foremost 'particle accelerator project' that has 'yielded nothing as far as I can tell'.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

Edited by Archimedes, 15 November 2012 - 11:11 PM.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:11 PM

View PostArchimedes, on 15 November 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

And for ultimate irony, the World Wide Web was invented by one of zoser's 'bored scientists' working at the world's foremost 'particle accelerator project' that has 'yielded nothing as far as I can tell'.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

Yeah. THANKS FOR NOTHING CERN!

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:23 AM

View Postzoser, on 15 November 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Sorry; I believe that the particle accelerator projects are nothing more than a few bored scientists looking to justify their existence.  The whole enterprise has yielded nothing as far as I can tell and should have the plug pulled ASAP.  Nothing but a huge scientific scam.

This is a real head scratcher :unsure2:

I’m tipping that SETI have more chance of finding an alien life form out in the galaxy than you do posting in your tantalising testimonies thread :clap: .

I would have thought that you would be all for it , you know... finding aliens and stuff :tu:

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

The funny thing about SETI is, the same people that believe we're being visited, are the same people who love the idea of SETI and finding alien life.  That's kind of an oxymoron if you ask me.  They believe alien life is visiting us, and believe we need an antenna to find alien life.


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:39 PM

View PostCpl599, on 16 November 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

The funny thing about SETI is, the same people that believe we're being visited, are the same people who love the idea of SETI and finding alien life.  That's kind of an oxymoron if you ask me.  They believe alien life is visiting us, and believe we need an antenna to find alien life.

I think it's just the opposite.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:10 PM

Supposed extraterrestrial visitors seem rather elusive, and unwilling to provide unquestionable evidence of their existence. We may be deemed by them not ready to cope with such evidence. We might be thought ready to receive definite evidence, via radio waves, of distant stellar civilizations, with no reference to their dropping by for a visit.
The latter discovery, while momentous, would  probably not be as disruptive or threatening to us as the former. Once we got used to the idea of remote extraterrestrial civilizations, the possibility of travel between the stars, and visits to Earth might begin to be slowly introduced to us.
  It could  all be based on the idea of reciprocity. We have already made ourselves heard in nearby parts of the galaxy, with our radio, television, and radar signals. We are technically able to receive radio signals from other star systems. We are, perhaps, prepared for this level of contact. We are still a long way from travel among the stars, so indisputable evidence that we have been visited may be withheld from us, for a time.

Edited by bison, 16 November 2012 - 07:12 PM.


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:20 PM

View PostArchimedes, on 15 November 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

That's because you are scientifically ignorant of the real world benefits of this kind of blue sky research.

MRI scans, PET scans and other forms of nuclear medicine, lasers, etc. are some of the real world benefits that the kind of fundamental quantum physics research that CERN, Fermilab, etc. have done in the past.  Research that had no obviously direct benefits at the time, but has proven to have helped diagnose and treating cancer.   These technologies only exist due to scientists doing fundamental science research without concern for immediate real world benefits.

I agree with the poster above, the anti-science prejudice is astounding.

If science is ever to be our liberator and be the Godsend it was promised to be it would have happened long before now.  For every solution it provides it  creates another ten types of disaster.  A little adding up would have told you as much.  

Science promised to be mankind's ultimate great saviour 50 years ago.  In 2012 there is more stress, fatal diseases, poverty, labour (mental and physical) than there has ever been.  Time to look in different directions methinks.

So who is ignorant and living in a fantasy world really?

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