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Ectoplasm: fact or fiction?


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#1    crowman

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 10:25 AM

Hi im from Crowstone Paranormal Team ,Whats your views on Ectoplasm ? Some say its Spiritual energy,some say its faked,Whats your opinion ?


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 10:46 AM

Bunkum faked from the finest cheesecloth or silk


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:57 PM

I have never seen any.  I would have to see it to judge for myself.  Also I would need to see it appear in midair from nowhere, lol


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:09 PM

I've been slimed, Ray.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 04:42 PM

It's real these was this lady once who could make ectroplasm hands appear out of thin air..
and fly around the room.
I don't think you can fake that with silk..

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 04:46 PM

Until I see a sample of ectoplasm being analyzed in a lab somewhere, I'm gunna have to remain skeptical.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 04:57 PM

View PostLostSouls7, on 19 September 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

It's real these was this lady once who could make ectroplasm hands appear out of thin air..
and fly around the room.
I don't think you can fake that with silk..

Her name was Helen Duncan:-
http://www.helenduncan.org.uk/

I have even sat in a chair which belonged to her.  It is now owned by a spiritualist friend of mine.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:04 PM

Helen Duncan

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In 1931 the London Spiritualist Alliance examined Duncan's mediumship and concluded she was a fraud. An early examination of pieces of Duncan's ectoplasm revealed it was made of cheese-cloth, paper mixed with the white of egg and lavatory paper stuck together. Duncan refused to be investigated by the Society for Psychical Research even claiming she wouldn't do it for a million pounds however she was investigated by some psychical researchers such as Harry Price. Duncan had also originally denied photos to be taken in her seances but later accepted permission of photos but this backfired on her, as all flashlight photographs of her mediumship showed her to be using fake props in the seance room such as plastic dolls, cloth, rubber gloves and cut-out heads from magazine covers which she pretended to her audiences were spirits.
One of Duncan's tricks was to swallow and regurgitate some of her ectoplasm and according to (Haynes, 1982) she was persuaded to swallow a tablet of methylene blue before one of her seances by the London Spiritualist Alliance to rule out any chance of this trick being performed and no ectoplasm appeared. An investigation by the psychical researcher Harry Price into the mediumship of Duncan revealed she was using natural substances such as cheese-cloth and eggs mixed with paper as ectoplasm in her seances (see below). It has also been suggested by some researchers that Duncan achieved some of her tricks with the help of an accomplice. In 1933 at a seance in Scotland a little girl called Peggy emerged in the seance room, someone grabbed her and the lights were turned on and the spirit was revealed to be Duncan. She was prosecuted and fined £10. Later Duncan was caught cheating again pretending to be a spirit in the seance room, this time Duncan and four of her traveling companions were prosecuted, convicted and sent to nine months in prison.

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:11 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 19 September 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:


Was James Randi even alive then?


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:17 PM

View PostAngel1510, on 19 September 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

Was James Randi even alive then?

Nope. Harry Price

College of Psychic Study found her to be full on nonsense as well.  

More on them.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 08:04 AM

View PostHerNibs, on 19 September 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:


Haha, just had another look at this.  Is that white thing supposed to be a ghost, lol?  More like a punch and judy puppet!


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:34 PM

Not really convinced on ectoplasm, way too many hoaxes.


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:31 PM

I've seen too many cases where it can be debunked: camera strap, cigarette smoke, etc. So I say fiction. However, I have seen "wisps" where none should be and couldn't be explained. So.....I'm keeping an open mind.

Basically, I think all paranormal events are filed under "open mind" for me. If they can be explained, great. If they can't, well, I'll accept it as true with the understanding that if it can be explained in the future, it's not true. I always did balance on the edge and fall off once in a while.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 11:44 PM

It must be true, I saw it in the movies: "Sir, what we have here is what we call a non-repeating phantasm, or a class-5 free roaming vapor, real nasty one too."


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 01:23 AM

View PostRafterman, on 19 September 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

I've been slimed, Ray.
That's great! Actual physical contact!

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