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#1    supervike

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:48 PM

http://news.yahoo.co...-190222867.html



I think this is a very evocative piece of art...it does what good art should do, make you think.

I understand the controversy as well, but what do you folks think of it?


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:05 PM

I'm sure some will hate it and some will love it but it does make you think.  I don't think it will cause mass riots.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:12 PM

It is a work of art and should be treated as such.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:15 PM

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This, in the artist's view, is the conservative version of Christ: Uncaring, holding onto wealth and raising a firearm to the skies.

I see it as a liberal Christ. Uncaring, taking the gun and keeping the money himself. Kneel before me.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:18 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 07 May 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

I see it as a liberal Christ. Uncaring, taking the gun and keeping the money himself. Kneel before me.
I thought liberals wanted to take you gun away and heavily tax the rich so the money could be spread around.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:20 PM

They just want to insure no lunatics or criminals have guns while fairly taxing the rich.

That seems to be the rationale behind universal background checks and closing loopholes in the tax code.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 07 May 2013 - 05:21 PM.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:21 PM

View PostHilander, on 07 May 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

I thought liberals wanted to take you gun away and heavily tax the rich so the money could be spread around.

They want to tax everybody, however they want to spin it.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:32 PM

  • From the article: "In my understanding Jesus was all about compassion and forgiveness and helping the poor and curing the sick," D'Antuono said. "The teachings of Christ -- they seem to go against the Republican line when it comes to immigration or gay marriage and entitlements. All of that stuff."
I never read where Jesus commented on illegal immigration (fixed that one for him), or gay marriage, or entitlements from the government (had to fix that one too). I did read where his Dad (if you are a Christian) said that for one man to lie down with another was an abomination.

It's not that Republicans are against helping the poor, it's just that they are against the government forcing people to help the poor. They believe in doing that themselves, on a voluntary basis. I can't think of the word right now... oh wait, I got it, it's called freedom of choice. I mean it is their money after all.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:41 PM

I wouldn’t call it controversial (The “P-iss Christ” was controversial) but it is clear what the artist intended and that makes it art.  But does it reflect the Christian Conservative or the Liberal view of the Christian Conservative?  The article is filled with confusion.  I would pose, what causes more harm?  Becoming dependent on a fisherman or learning to fish on your own?

Edited by RavenHawk, 07 May 2013 - 05:50 PM.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:43 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 07 May 2013 - 05:20 PM, said:

They just want to insure no lunatics or criminals have guns while fairly taxing the rich.

That seems to be the rationale behind universal background checks and closing loopholes in the tax code.

We already have laws preventing lunatics and convicted felons from legally buying a gun. Except, of course, that your medical records are confidential, so kinda hard to insure the buyers is sane.

What is your defination of fair? Is it that those that worked hard any got ahead in life should subsidize those that didn't. Hardly seems fair to me.

What you call "loopholes" are legal deductions.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:53 PM

There are other threads to fully discuss those issues in depth, let us not derail this one, we have all given our minor opinions on these other matters and while we can disagree there is no reason to focus on them here.

As far as the art, it does seem to be a bit of editorialization, and perhaps parody. So it is art, just not fine art.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:46 PM

View PostHilander, on 07 May 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

I'm sure some will hate it and some will love it but it does make you think.  I don't think it will cause mass riots.

View PostSweetpumper, on 07 May 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

I see it as a liberal Christ. Uncaring, taking the gun and keeping the money himself. Kneel before me.
That's the joy of "art as commentary" it requires a third part - the mind of the viewer - to become fully realised. It's brilliant in that aspect. You have to think about it and in the end have to think about your own views when confronted with an alternative view.
Is it Liberal? Is it Conservative? It's up to you to decide and your decision will be based on you're political stance.

FWIW it looks more to me like he was taking away the gun.

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
When the fear is gone, there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:51 PM

It is art...it is meant to speak to the individual viewer.
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I look at that painting and I see Christ saying "I am taking these things away from you" (money and guns)..."You cannot be trusted with them anymore"

Just my opinion...

Edited by Jeremiah65, 07 May 2013 - 09:55 PM.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:52 PM

I do know it's not something that would ever be on my wall.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:59 PM

I think it's based on some seriously biased personal opinion, given that study after study shows that the people who donate the most money, time, and supplies to charities and those in need are conservatives and Christians while Leftists use the needy for their political appeal, but don't actually bother to help, always being more interested in getting into the pocketbooks of others.

Edited by IamsSon, 07 May 2013 - 10:00 PM.

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