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[Widdekind]

"YHWH" has always been all of the "Gods in the starry heavens" ?

Supra-naturalist Scripture refers to the One-and-Only-One God as "YHWH Eloh'im", possibly meaning "YHWH [is] the Gods".  According to the maximally parsimonious Alien interpretation, one-and-only-one Super-Alien ("YHWH") has been telepathically transmitting ("space walkie-talkies") to all groups of humans, for ages, being "all things to all people", and employing a variety of Divine Names ("Call Signs"), presumably in order to be maximally influential ("Consummate Politician").



Scriptural Codes are Alien "Contact Messages" ?

Supra-naturalists interpret Scripture via Numerology, according to which they construe complex "Codes" there-with-in.  Such "Super-Codes" could plausibly reflect actual Alien (telepathic) transmissions¹.  If so, then Supra-natural Scripture records (telepathic) Contact, of humans on earth, by advanced Aliens in space.  If so, Scriptures are the most important artifacts, anywhere on earth, from anywhen in human history.

¹ In 580 AD, Pope Gregory codified the 'Seven Heavenly Virtues' (7HV) and 'Seven Deadly Sins' (7DS).  According to Numerology, equivalent numbers & letters may be interchanged (7 <---> G).  Thereby, 7HV <---> GHV <---> GeHoVa, i.e. "YHWH", the Divine Name in Hebrew.  And, 7DS <---> GDS <---> GoDS, i.e. "Eloh'im" in Hebrew.  Thus, Pope Gregory's codification construably bears a Divine Stamp of Authority, implying that Pope Gregory did, indeed, construct his code under telepathic control, of "God in the starry heavens".  Moreover, that code involves, ultimately, ancient Hebrew ("YHWH, Eloh'im"); classical Greek & Latin (via which Scripture was transmitted to westerners); and modern English (into which the Latin was translated as 7HV, 7DS).  Thus, that code implies Divine Dominance, over numerous human groups, across several continents, over thousands of years -- construable as a Divine Dominance Display, by advanced Super-Aliens in space, over primitive humans on earth, so many millions of whom were so deeply Dominated, for so long, in so many places, that Divine Codes could be faithfully transmitted across space & through time.

Additional Codes can be further construed, from the vowels (e/o/a, o/--/--) whose insertion into "7HV" & "7DS" reveals the first Code, e.g. the lack of (i/u).  In classical Latin, from Pope Gregory's time, "u" and "v" were the same letter; and (i/v) represents "six" in Roman numerals (1+5).  (Note, too, that "15" is a Divine Number in Hebrew, Numerologically equivalent to the Root-Name of God, "YH" <---> 10+5 = 15.)  Now, a "missing six" may reference many "missing 6th letter (Waw)" Prophesies perceived in the Torah.  And, the "extra 'o'" may suggest, that in place of the "missing Waw" will be left "O" <---> 0, i.e. "nothing", perhaps implying an Annihilation Event ?  If so, then the Numerological manipulation of "O" <---> 0, implicitly involves India (origin of the number 0) and Arabia (transmitter of the number 0 to the west).  If so, then "God in the starry heavens" also demonstrates Divine Dominance over India & Arabia, by which avatars the aforesaid Divine Code was faithfully transmitted, across space, and through time.

Edited by Widdekind, 24 June 2012 - 01:30 PM.

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Deception in the details

Most Americans seem oblivious to the extra-terrestrial symbols on "their" flag.  For, although their are dozens of stars on that flag, the same is typically depicted against a bright earth-sky-blue background... which earth-day-light obscures the stars, light-years away, which would otherwise be seen in the background.  A less deceptive depiction, of the American flag, would be:

"sound off" -- who is "Kaiser Soze" ?

If Supra-naturalism, amongst humans, is the product, of the human sub-conscious; then humans would be able to control all manifestations of Supra-naturalism, by exerting self-control, over "their own" sub-consciouses.  But, if Supra-naturalism derives from actually Existing "other-worldly Powers in the starry heavens"; then humans would not be able to control any manifestations of Supra-naturalism, e.g. extra-terrestrial symbols on "their" flags.  Now, this writer lacks the power, to remove extra-terrestrial symbolism, from the American flag ("alright, guys, we need a new flag...").  If, however, some other American possesses that power, then let the real "Kaiser Soze" stand up, and -- proving that Supra-natural extra-terrestrial symbolism is (ultimately) the product of (some) human sub-conscious -- and demand the removal, (even) of the symbols, of non-North-American, non-terrestrial, space-based Power, from the American flag ("widdy is a chump, but we do need a new flag...").  Sound off:

widdy -- "i cannot do remove non-human, non-terrestrial symbolism from the US flag; Abe ?"

Abe -- "uhh...."

widdy -- "no go; Bill ?"

Bill -- "uhh..."

widdy -- "no go; Chuck ?"

Chuck -- "uhh..."

widdy -- "no go; Dave ?"

Dave -- "uhh..."

widdy -- "no go, again..."

To date, no Americans have demonstrated any dominance or control, over the Power Symbols, of alleged non-human, other-worldly, Supra-naturality, "in the starry heavens"¹.  

¹ "Come on, man"; "who cares"; "psshah"; "bah humbug"; "i sacrificed for that flag!"; etc. do not demonstrate any command, control, or dominance, over the supposed Imperial Emblems of the "Empire in space" (Malkuth ha-shamay'im) of "God" (YHWH).  Instead, the same seem to possess powerful psychic hold over the hearts & minds of Americans...

on-planet "Illuminati" recruited by "God" in space ?

According to persistent rumors & reports, secret cabals of "Illuminated ones" control global governments, by the Power of secret "esoteric" knowledge imparted to them -- proximately, by higher-ranking cult members; ultimately, by "Gods in the starry heavens", Who first communicated the secret knowledge, to the first cabalist, ages ago.  In Biblical analogy, perhaps "YHWH in the heavens" secretly communicated to the first High Priest (Cohen Gadol), who thereby recruited the first cabal of Priests (Cohens), who then recruited Levites, who have since come to collectively control Israel; and, demanding the construction of a vast "Temple of YHWH" in Jerusalem; and, upon the completion of said construction, living out their days in luxury, for "services rendered" to "YHWH in the heavens".  On-planet "proximate power" (Levites, Cohens, Cohen-Gadol, Temple) on earth, does not, logically, deny, disprove, or even mitigate against, the actual Existence, of "YHWH" out in space.  Instead, in-so-far as "Illuminati" cults lack local terrestrial causal origin, then a remote extra-terrestrial Cause is implied ("the first guru did not 'have' (active voice), but was 'given' (passive voice), their epiphany 'eureka' moment, by 'God in the starry heavens'").  On-world Illuminati cults could be the "local recruits" raised up by "God in the starry heavens", to sabotage terrestrial civilization (by "space hi-jacking space-ship earth").  The fact remains -- "they have stars over their heads, and they attribute all their on-planet power & wealth, implicitly & explicitly, to 'God in the starry heavens', as they have for ages".  Can they now deny the "Power of God in space" (if logical legitimacy actually were enforced) ?



humans on earth stop thinking when Aliens start telepathing ?

This writer's frustrated attempts to debate "there really might be Aliens" with skeptics invariably end in derisive dismissal.  Perhaps (ultimately) Alien telepathic transmissions are "negative", i.e. "thought negating", such that the indication of Alien psi from space, is the ending of human thinking on earth ("they just just just cannot cannot cannot think about the possibility") ?

[Widdekind]

sketch of concept

"Allah in the stars" fooled Fred Hampton ?

Fred Hampton was strong, and smart; and a charismatic leader.  He was able to organize hundreds, and even thousands, of US citizens onto regular schedules, of discipline, exercise (strength of body), and education (strength of mind).  I.e. Fred Hampton was able to instill fundamental work ethic, into potential US workers (who would have had jobs, too, except for anti-Capitalist minimum-wage laws).  According to Libertarian economics, Fred Hampton would have been an ideal foreman, in a super-factory, for John D. Rockefellar's Standard Oil super-business (which was smashed, by anti-Capitalist laws).  Fred Hampton was also enticed, by hostile foreign power, from China (Maoism), and the Middle East (many African-Americans were recruited to global Islam, e.g. Muhammad Ali & Malcolm X).  China has stars on its flags, representing the "Mandate (Orders) from heaven" which Chinese have reported receiving, and following, for thousands of years.  The Middle East submits to "Allah, the Lord of the worlds, of the Kingdom (Empire) of the heavens (out in space)", whose Orders they have reported receiving, and following, for thousands of years -- with the ultimate aim of pacifying planet earth ("Islam" means submission without resistance, i.e. planetary pacification).  On 4-12-1969, Fred Hampton, accused by the Chicago Tribune of being a "wild beast" (i.e. not tame, pacified), was executed with two bullets to his head, construably one bullet for each "vector of influence" by which he had been fooled ("by Mandate from Allah amongst the stars", cp. "left hand / right hand", or the "left bull's horn / right bull's horn" envelopment tactic developed by Shaka Zulu)¹.   3000 years ago, "God in the heavens" was reportedly able to guide the sling-stones of David, to kill Goliath (whose human strength & courage has been Slandered & Accused ever since); if so, then "Allah amongst the stars" could have guided the bullets of Chicago Police Officers, to kill Fred Hampton (whose positive qualities have been Slandered & Accused ever since).  If Biblically-advanced Super-Aliens Exist out in space, then they would be predicted to be hostile, deceptive, and to eliminate human strength, intelligence, & leadership capacity ("head-hunter attacks", cp. Patriot movie), as "priority targets", whilst prosecuting the planetary pacification, of humans on earth, per textbook war-fighting doctrine, albeit applied at super-long range.  (They would also be predicted to foment intra-species conflicts, at the same time, for the same reasons.)  Receiving Orders from "Spirit Gods in the starry heavens" would plausibly be beyond the ability of humans on earth to avoid; actually following those Orders, and/or concealing those Orders from other humans, and inflicting damage, destruction, wounds & deaths upon terrestrial targets, for those "Gods in starry space", is maximally non-legitimate -- and would, ultimately, be predicted to result, in the annihilation of humans, and possibly their planet, cp. reported "Maya 2012" Apocalyptic Prophesy scheduled to occur in 6 months.

¹ Inexpertly looking out for Kabbalistic Numerological connections, this writer commonly construes "calling cards" on terrestrial kills, encoded into numbers there-with associated, e.g. "two bullets".

space comm -- "yes They can" ?

This Alien allegation "boils down" to "the advanced Aliens expected to exist, for thousands of years, do Exist, and can, and have, Communicated to earthlings (voices, visions, dreams), for ages", i.e. "no They don't need humans to build radio antennae, or do anything at all".  (In fact, They expectedly do not need humans to even exist.)  Who says otherwise, and upon what Authority ?  According to Apocalyptic Prophesy, humans on earth have 6 months to stop being maximally non-legitimate -- and perhaps "6 months and a day" before they would be destroyed, anyway, if not by their "own" doings, then directly by "God in the starry heavens" (who would not be predicted to be kind & like-ing of humans  on earth).



"no boarding party" ?

US military planners have investigated the possibility of an "Alien invasion".  If our planet is perceived as a "space-ship earth" (natural capital craft), then such invasions would amount to "space boarding parties" attempting to "grapple and storm aboard" our world-ship.  According to this Alien allegation, via advanced space comm, advanced Aliens have already recruited an "on-ship mutiny", which "world-wide coup" has already "seized the bridge", and which will "crash the ship", in 6 months.  (Afterwards, Aliens would perhaps "space torpedo the wreck", to guarantee the annihilation, of 'Their' potential space rivals.)

Unfortunately, for humans, their one-and-only actually-free "gift from space", i.e. earth, is a habitable, but space-vulnerable "natural capital craft", which did not naturally evolve any "space armor", against microwave & radio frequency EM signals, to which both the inter-stellar medium (ISM) and earth's atmosphere are impotently transparent.  Hypothetical "Noah's space arks" should upgrade those aspects of world-ship design, ideally within the next 6 months.  Meanwhile, "Allah in the starry heavens" will, evidently, keep Ordering humans to attack terrestrial targets, in escalation, towards Apocalypse.  According to Super-naturalist Scripture (fair warning?), the "God of dark destruction" can Deceive humans, into perceiving, instead, a "God of creation" [paraphrasing publicly reported "communications from the heavens out in space"], by which Deception, humans submit to other-worldly Authority, and obey other-worldly, alien-ating, in-human-e, Mandated Orders.  Obeying Orders, or accepting any form of "value" in de facto "payment" for collaboration, with non-terrestrial, non-human, other-worldly, alien-ating, in-human-e Authority, in any way shape or form, is maximally non-legitimate.  Legitimately, (in biased western language) humans ought-and-should refuse "silver from the Sultan", even if the "Sultan" is "Sultan with a capital 'S'").  If "God in starry space" Exists, then 'They' must be presumed hostile, and humans must publicly report all Mandated Orders from that presumed-hostile foreign Power.  According to this Alien allegation, if humans did do so, and "compared notes"; then they would see, "staring them full in the face", Mandated Orders for Super-hostility to terrestrial targets, Demanded by (alleged) other-worldly, alien-ating, in-human-e, Authority.  Following such Orders would be non-rational, non-logical, non-helpful, non-beneficial, non-legitimate.

you must not take orders from space...

you must not take orders from the stars...

or from the heavens...

or from Spirits & Gods in the starry heavens...

instead, you must report those Orders to "your brother before your cousin, your cousin before other humans, and other humans before other-worldly Alien beings from starry heavenly space"...

According to reported Apocalyptic Prophesy -- which this writer had nothing to do with -- humans have 6 months, to stop being maximally non-legitimate to other humans, under the (supposed) Super-surveillance of "God in the heavens", and to refuse Mandated Orders to "self-destruct space-ship earth".  ("God in the heavens" would plausibly destroy earth, directly, 'Themselves', anyway, as "insurance", sometime thereafter.)  Different humans will receive (slightly) different Orders (e.g. some from "God in the heavens", others from "the star(s)", etc.).  All orders "signed" with symbols of & attributions to non-human, non-terrestrial, other-worldly, extra-terrestrial Authority, are maximally non-legitimate, and must be refused, despite being Orders, from "God" (in starry space).

They are Orders from "God", in starry heavenly space

They are hostile to humans, on earth

They are Authorized by non-human, non-terrestrial, other-worldly, alien-ating, in-human-e Authority

humans cannot legitimately obey such Orders

humans must refuse, and report, such Orders

when humans compare notes, "Divine Wrath" will stare them full in the face, and they will know, Who they have been dealing with, the entire time, for ages, for a quarter million years

if "God" Exists, human have only, ever, deceived other piddly earth ape-men, and never "God in space", Who -- after aeons of developing & deploying advanced space Super-technologies -- has read from, and written to, their ape-men minds, for ages

in "six months and a day" they may be destroyed, directly, anyway

humans on earth would not plausibly be able to stop "YHWH-God" from "laying 'Their' finger [sic]" on an earth-destroying "Super-button" (cp. Ezekiel 25:17, Reservoir Dogs movie).  Never-the-less, humans should-and-ought not "do God's [Dirty] Work for God, for free", and destroy their own selves, in "species suicide".  As long as "space-ship earth" lists in a transparent ISM, humans live in a "glass space-house" before "God in starry space"; humans cannot, then, legitimately hide their thoughts, from "other humans, cousins, and brothers", when they are "wide open" to "God in starry space".  Toleration of such "informational asymmetry", further advantaging Koranically-advanced Super-Aliens, would only plausibly expedite the annihilation of humans on earth¹.

¹ If "loose lips sink ships", then "minds wide open to 'God' in starry space" would be predicted to... ?  Any human can, with "honor amongst thieves", legitimately deceive aliens, before other humans, other humans before cousins, cousins before brothers, and brothers before themselves.  For ages, humans on earth have reported, that they hide zero information, from the Prying Super-Perception of "God in starry space".  Legitimately, humans would have to Deceive God in starry space, before deceiving any con-specific, on "space-ship earth".  Until then, humans must fess up to each other.  Logically, "until then", i.e. developing privacy from, and then also Deceiving "YHWH in starry space", would require more than six terrestrial months.  Legitimately, then, humans must declare "cease fire" and "total time out", for at least the next six months.  As of this writing, humans are being maximally non-legitimate, on the Divine Name, and they know it, too; Iranian Sheiks cannot call the the USSR "Satan", and the USA "Great Satan"; and then boast about being more Deceptive than "Satan" in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and then more Deceptive than "Great Satan" in 2004; without the "Diabolical Humor" being in-your-earthling-face obvious.  There is Only One God, and Only One "Great" Being -- nothing is allowed to be called "Great", especially by Iranian Sheiks, other than that One-and-Only One Great Being --  "YHWH" is-and-has-always-been all of the "Eloh-im" manifested amongst the minds of mankind, over the ages, the "God of Abraham, of Isaac & Ishmael, of Balaam, of Pharaoh, of Aztec Priest Tlacaelel".  humans cannot follow orders from "stars", "Gods", "Gods in starry space", or any combination thereof.  Those Orders would predictably be hostile; humans heeding such Orders would be manifesting Divine Wrath, against earth, on the Behalf of non-human, non-terrestrial, other-worldly, alien-ating, in-human-e, Power from starry space.  Maximally non-legitimate.  Whatever, 'tis maximally non-legitimate...

Edited by Widdekind, 02 July 2012 - 09:18 PM.

[Widdekind]

quantum radio ?

From space, Biblically-advanced Super-Aliens may communicate instructions, to humans on earth, via advanced "quantum radio", which (somehow) combines conventional microwave & radio-frequency EM signals, with quantum entanglement.  On earth, humans may have perceived the operation of Alien "quantum radio" for ages, as a psychoactive "Divine Spirit", that manipulates their minds, e.g. generating voices, visions, & dreams.  Indeed, Super-naturalists (Christians) liken the "Holy Spirit" to human non-quantum "conventional" radio, which communicates intelligence information ("space-and-time situational awareness") to humans on earth ("knowledge, wisdom, discernment")¹:

Walking in the Spirit -- Trusty Radio
Turn on the radio and you get music or talk shows.  The ear waves are full of sound even when we are not listening.  There's always something on.  We just have to tune in.  Tuning in to the radio is like walking with the Spirit.  He's always there.  The key is to "tun in" and pay attention... He's always with us, with all his gifts & help... How do we tune in? ... We know God is constantly with us, and we expect the Spirit to be involved in our lives.  It's like turning on that radio.  Wherever we are, He's on the air, with advice, understanding, and [perceived] love!

"Holy Divine Spirit from God in the starry heavens" can be construed, as advanced (space) communications signals, from Super-Aliens, out in space².
¹ Osborne & Bowler.  I Want to Know about the Holy Spirit, p.26-28
²  Logically, "quantum radio" must be less technologically challenging, than space travel.  First, humans can accomplish the former, in part; the latter, not at all.  Second, supposedly, humans have received Alien "quantum radio" for ages; have received Aliens themselves never.




power levels

Our star outputs 4 x 10²⁶ W of power (sunlight); our earth outputs 4 x 10¹³ W of power (geothermal heat)¹.  Those values, broadly characteristic of "star-level power" & "planet-level power" levels, define the Kardashev scale.  Currently, human civilization on earth generates about 20 TW of power, or about a (half) "planet-level power"; human civilization can be characterized as (nearly) "type I".  If "God amongst the stars" is a space-spanning "Empire of the heavens", then 'They' probably possess the power of numerous star-systems.  If so, then 'They' are more than 13 orders-of-magnitude more Powerful than humans.  According to Apocalyptic Prophesy (Maya 2012), that Power, articulated in various & advanced ways, may destroy human civilization on earth, within 6 earth months.
¹ Carroll & Ostlie. Introduction to Modern Astrophysics, p.795




Missing Waw Prophesies annihilation of humans ?

Jewish Rabbis decipher, in Scripture, Divine Will for a "missing waw".  The Hebrew letter waw is the sixth letter of their alphabet; is Numerologically equivalent to the number six; is symbolically equivalent to the six-pointed "star of David & Solomon".  According to Kabbalah, that six-pointed star is formed from two triangles, symbolizing man (^) and woman (v).  Thus, six may symbolize "all mankind"; and Divine Will for "missing waw" may symbolize the annihilation of the human species.  Biblically-advanced Super-Aliens, telepathically dominating humans, would be able to dupe humans into perceiving Holocaust as a "Blessing", towards which aim they would foolishly work.  Non-human, non-terrestrial Power, if Existing, should be presumed hostile, deceptive; should not be presumed beneficial; should not be yielded to, or allowed domination over human destiny (if possible).  Collaborators, claiming to the contrary, should not be obeyed; should be detained.  Failure to do so would probably result in millions of human casualties, on earth (and zero casualties, anywhere else).




Koran Code ?

Special symbols in the Koran (Muqatta'at) may refer to the Sumerian flood, which devastated the cradle of human civilization on earth, five thousand years ago:

• the Sumerian flood occurred c.2900 BC
  
• the Koran contains 29 specially-marked Surahs
  
  • 26 earlier "Mecca" Surahs
    
  • 3 later "Medina" Surahs

Ipso facto, the 29 special Surahs may each refer, to some century in human history, during the first three millennia BC, between the Sumerian flood, and the time of the Abrahamic Messiah, Jesus Christ.  According to Christian tradition, the last Divinely Inspired book of the Old Testament (Tanakh) was written by the human hand of the Prophet Malachi c.300 BC, after which the Divine Spirit departed Israel, until the time of Christ.  And, "26" is the Divine Number, the Numerological equivalent of the Divine Name "YHWH" (=10+5+6+5).  Ipso facto, the 3 later "Medina" Surahs, which, from the 29, "lack 26", may refer to the first three centuries BC, from the times of Malachi to Christ.  That ordering would also preserve the Koranic chronology (Mecca before Medina).  Those 3 Surahs are two, three, and thirteen.  They begin (respectively) with the letters ALM, ALM, and ALMR:

• [ALM] Surah two ("cow") -- Israelites argue with Moses over sacrifices
  
• [ALM] Surah three ("Imran") -- Prophethood departs from Moses dispensation; Imran was the ancestor of Mary & Jesus
  
• [ALMR] Surah thirteen ("thunder") -- thunder & lightning represent Divine Power, which rejuvenated earth after demise; cp. 'physical Flood of water' c.2900 BC vs. 'Spiritual Flood of Holy Ghost' in the time of Christ, also "13" is the "Messianic Number" Numerologically equivalent to "Jesus Christ" (= JC = 10+3), and also Jesus' disciples the "sons of thunder"

Those Surahs may refer (respectively) to the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st centuries BC, from the departure of Divine Spirit from Israel, until the return of Divine Spirit in the time of Christ.

Further, Jews acknowledge 24 books in their Tanakh, whereas Christians define 39 books in their Old Testament.  The Jewish numbering "lacks 15", another Divine Number, equivalent to the Divine Name "YH" (=10+5).  That may refer to the 3 later "Medina" Surahs, which "lack 26", and which may refer to the first three centuries BC.  The shortened Divine Name also "lacks WH", which may refer to the "Missing Waw Prophesy".  And, if you abut "24" (Jewish numbering) to "39" (Christian numbering), then you can construe "24:39" <---> "24:39" <---> "29" (perhaps with a "missing 4:3", or a "missing 7").  Such joining may refer to the recent rapprochement between Judaism & Christianity, into Judeo-Christianity, in the 20th century AD (perhaps with a "missing 4:3", "DC", "7"; or perhaps with a "missing 4:3", "(1+3):3", "1 + 3:3", referring to the "Missing Waw (6 = 3+3) Prophesy" with "one remaining").  If so, then the 26 specially-marked "Mecca" Surahs may refer to the twenty-six centuries, from the times of Noah to Malachi, when Divine Spirit was actively guiding Abraham, his ancestors, and his progeny (perhaps when "times were simpler").

Numeric codes, embedded in a message, received by humans on earth, from "God in the starry heavens", can be construed, as a First Contact, from advanced Super-Aliens (somewhere) out in space.  Prima facie, that code refers to the destruction of human civilization on earth (Sumerian flood); to Divine Power over human death & life (Jesus Christ, Resurrection); and, perhaps, to the annihilation of mankind (Missing Waw Prophesy).  Actually Existing Super-Aliens would plausibly annihilate humans; would plausibly be Super-Deceptive; would not plausibly be non-hostile.




"slow boil" ?

According to Super-naturalism, "God in the starry heavens" can, and has, Prophesied (predicted & controlled) the destined fate of humans on earth, ages in advance.  Yet, at any given time, humans generally perceive nothing amiss (2 Peter 3).  Biblically-advanced Super-Aliens, slowly & gradually influencing humans on earth, at low intensity, sustained over prolonged periods, would be able to slowly & gradually cultivate humans, towards 'Their' aims, e.g. "recruiting terrestrials to space-hi-jack space-ship earth".  In maritime analogy, such a "slow boil" eugenics program, would resemble the wide slow turns of large ships.  Over ages, simple, thought-encoded Divine Orders, could be telepathically transmitted, as "subliminal suggestions", so that humans perceived Divine Orders, as their own thoughts; and Divinely Pleased with the same, undertook them, enthusiastically ("quarter million year trail of tasty bread crumbs").  In the absence of evidence, our space environment should not be presumed barren; should be presumed populated, with presumed hostile aliens.  And, being cautious & vigilant, any indications, of non-human, non-terrestrial influences ("Orders from God in heaven, sealed with stars") should be publicly reported; should be investigated; should be quarantined.





Actuality vs. Veracity

humans routinely confuse & conflate "Actuality" vs. "Veracity".  Logically, Super-naturalist Scriptures could actually be advanced telepathic transmissions, from actual extra-terrestrials; and yet be non-true.  Advanced Aliens would be Super-Powerful compared to humans.  Existing Super-Aliens could annihilate humans.  Ascertaining 'Their' Existence (or otherwise) is the most important dilemma confronting humans (cp. "low probability, high risk").  If Super-naturalist Scriptures do derive from actual Super-Aliens, then those Scriptures are the most important documents on earth; and, presumably, the most dangerous & Deceptive.  Any actions motivated by such Scriptures would probably be Super-Hostile; Super-Deceptive; alien-ating; in-human-e; damaging, destructive, deadly; result in millions of human casualties, and billions of dollars of damages, on earth.  "Allah communicated to Muhammad" should be presumed; "Allah communicated to Muhammad, and did so truthfully" should be presumed against.  Advanced Aliens could Exist, and could communicate to earthlings, whilst being wholly Deceptive.  "God in heaven Exists" does not imply "God in heaven Exists, and is my friend"¹.  Stereotypically, westerners deny that "God Exists"; easterners deny that "God is hostile"; all assert that "God is non-threatening" to humans on earth.  Non-human, non-terrestrial Power, capable of controlling human destinies, human death & life, and human civilization; should be presumed hostile.  Who says otherwise; why; and on what Authority ?

¹ The Maya 2012 Apocalyptic Prophesy may be another false alarm.  Lulling opponents into complacency, by deceptively generating false alarms, is an ancient war tactic, even for humans on earth.  Apocalyptic Prophesies could be false; and be actual.  If "God in heaven" falsely "rattles 'Their' light-sabres", then "God" must Exist, to do so.

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countdown to extinction ?

On-world agents, calling themselves the "soldiers of God in the starry heavens" (paraphrase), attacked terrestrial targets on 9/11.  Meanwhile, Apocalyptic Prophesy warns of possible planetary catastrophe in 2012.  Numerology seemingly attributes significance to number sequences, e.g "11... 12..."  Perhaps both hostile & threatening Supra-naturalist deeds & words gear together?  Number codes can be construed:

9-11

20-12

-------

29 - (11... 12...)

Perhaps "29" refers to the 29 specially marked Surahs in the Koran?  If those Surahs relate to the 29 centuries from the Sumerian flood, in the days of Noah; to the Resurrection, of Jesus Christ; then 9/11 and Maya 2012 may refer to those Surahs.  Now, those Surahs may be ordered by place of Prophetic inspiration, with the 26 "Mecca" Surahs preceding the 3 "Medina" Surahs, which therefore relate to the last three centuries BC before the "First Coming" of the Messiah.  The following multiple, parallel chronologies can be construed, from the breakdown of "29 = 9 + 20":

2900 BC -- Sumerian flood, Noah [11-9-2001 AD]

• 9 Mecca Surahs

2000 BC -- collapse of Old Bronze Age Sumer & Egypt, Abraham ? [c.2004 AD]

• 17 Mecca Surahs

300 BC -- Alexander "the Great", Malachi [c.2011 AD, assassination of Osama bin Laden?]

• 3 Medina Surahs

1 BC -- birth of Jesus Christ [21-12-2012 AD]

Meanwhile, the sequence "11... 12..." can be construed, implying "13", construably a Kabbalah code for Divine Prophesy (Moses = M = 13; Jesus Christ = JC = 10+3 = 13, who was the Messiah = M = 13; Muhammad = M = 13).  Indeed, Maya 2012 coincides with Christmas, the anniversary of the birth of the Messiah.

[Widdekind]

humans owe "God" how much ?

Christians consistently emphasize, that "God in heaven" has claimed, through Scripture:

• to have "created" earth, and all earth life (including humans, and the plants & animals upon which they depend)
  
• that such claims "must" be true

Such claims create the perception of human "debt" to "God in heaven", without Whose "creations" humans would have nothing (no world, no lives, no food).  Acting accordingly, Christians sacrifice earth assets, for "the Empire of heaven". Super-Aliens in space would have obvious incentive, to put humans on earth, into any psychological state, from which humans would then be willing, to attack terrestrial targets.  Super-Aliens in space would presumably be deceptive, in order to advance 'Their' presumably hostile intents, to destroy earth, and annihilate mankind.



"Holy Spirit" promotes "willing & able" ?

Christians consistently emphasize, that humans on earth must willingly receive the Holy Spirit, from God in heaven, into their minds.  Christians report, that willing submission to "Divine Spirit" evokes a "rush of emotion" or "rush of reason"¹.  The Christian Trinity can be construed as symbolizing God in heaven, mankind on earth, and a telepathic communications-and-control channel between both parties.  The Holy Spirit can be construed as a telepathic "entrainment signal", apparently focusing energies towards humans who are "willing & able", whilst ignoring humans who are unwilling or unable.  Super-Aliens in space would plausibly derive more benefit per energy expended, when interacting with "willing & able" humans, who did not resist 'Their' influences.  Persistent promotion, of willingly submissive humans, over the ages, could account for the Super-Dominance of Super-naturalism amongst mankind, today; and would amount to an extended "eugenics" program, promoting genes "good" for 'Their' purposes.

¹ Lee Strobel.  The Case for the Resurrection, p.55.  [comment: Strobel, reporting Divine Spirit Guidance, seemingly mocks Middle Easterners, from the cradle of terrestrial human civilization, as ignorant Muslim terrorists (p.47).  If so, then "God in heaven" mocks humans on earth, through 'Their' on-world mouth-pieces.  Divine Spirit Guidance does not prevent humans from attacking terrestrial targets, in word, or deed.  Divine Spirit Guidance does motivate humans to so attack terrestrial targets.]

[ZaraKitty]

Get it peer reviewed and collect your nobel prize.

[wanderer_]

I agree with you completely! I would encourage you to look at these phenomena from a spiritual perspective: http://www.spiritual...piritualscience here is a list of many (not all!) of the articles on this website that cover many of the topics you state above. For your ease, here is the article on ESP/Remote viewing/telepathy/etc: http://www.spiritual...ence/sixthsense

[anubis9]

the human brain and the dna are a mystery

and the universe or multiverse too

[Widdekind]

Alien Telepathy + cultivation

On earth, for the past quarter million years, humans have evolved to be increasingly Dominated by Supra-naturalism, e.g. "Spirit Gods in the starry heavens".  No human groups have persisted to the present, who are not organized around some combination of beliefs, in the Power, of Supra-natural, non-human, non-terrestrial Beings.  Persistent reports of telepathy, e.g. "voices, visions & dreams", spanning human history, can be construed as Messages, from Super-Aliens, somewhere in space, via advanced space communications technologies (adapted to terrestrial targets).  Likewise, persistent reports of humans being "favored (cursed) by the Gods", can be construed as Alien "eugenics", promoting (demoting) humans who were most willing & able (unwilling or unable) to advance Alien Plan.

Yet, in the present, human groups take Supra-naturalism for granted, i.e. "think nothing of it".  Evidently, prolonged exposure to Alien influences may have rendered humans into an "inured" condition, within which humans, having grown accustomed to Alien influence, have come to consider the same as "second nature".  Over the ages, considerable changes, physically & mentally, may have accumulated (from the way things would have been) -- but so gradually, that humans could always largely overlook 'Their' influences.  Only by comparing "pre-Contact" archaic natural humans, ages ago, with modern "re-natured" humans, today, would those changes "stand out" in stark contrast.  By a combination of telepathic influence and eugenics (Supernatural selection), Super-Aliens could have cultivated a "re-natured" human species, cultured to be submissive & willing instruments ("avatars") of "God in heaven".  For such "re-natured" humans, obeying "God in heaven" would seem (nearly) "second nature"; and, if the accumulation of Supernaturally selected traits ("midi-chlorian counts") has been sufficiently considerable, then dis-obeying "God in heaven" (refusing Orders) would seem (almost) inconceivable.  Thus, the indicator of Alien telepathic control over humanity would not be "epileptic fits & spasms whenever 'They' initiated Contact" (although that would be possible, cp. reported symptoms of "Demon possession" & "Divine mania").  Instead, Alien telepathic control over humanity would (now) be much more subtle -- telepathically controlled humans would obey "God in heaven", whilst "thinking nothing of it".  Aliens may be combining telepathy with eugenics, to cultivate humans most amenable to Alien Plan, e.g. "Super-selecting" for submissive obedience, such that only a minimum amount of direct "hard control" is required ("the High Priest, in the Holy of Holies, once a year").  But if there are no Super-Aliens in space, then why on earth have humans (who otherwise hate to do so) labored to build vast temple complexes to "Gods in the starry heavens" ?

guestimating "the Hour" of Doomsday ?

According to Apocalyptic Prophesy, catastrophe may befall terrestrial civilization on 21 December 2012 AD ("the Day").  Yet, various locations on earth perceive different hours of day, differing by up to (nearly) 24 hours.  For all earth to recognize the date as 21 December, the International Dateline must first rotate through midnight ("anti-solar") once; and then rotate all the way around back to (nearly) midnight twice.  Thus, Apocalypse may occur "just before midnight (of the 21/22) in Japan".

Speculating further, the wreck of the Soviet submarine K-129 sank, on the International Dateline, near Japan, in 1968 (8 March).  And, "K-129" can be construed as significant, Numerologically:

• the Koran has "29" specially-marked Surahs, also seen in "K-129" (perhaps K-129 implies "Koran 129", "Koran 129^th Surah" ?  perhaps Koran --> K ("using up the K"), Surah --> S --> 19 ("using up the 1,9"), leaving "2", meaning "Koran Surah 2" ?  Indeed, Surah 2 is Al-Baqara --> AB --> 12, perhaps referencing Maya 2012 ?  That Surah "urg[es] the pagans (Al-Kuffar) and the Jews of Medina to embrace Islam, and warning them and the hypocrites of the fate God had visited in the past on those who failed to heed His call")
  
• Maya 2012 multiply repeats the number "12,21", also seen in "K-129"
  
• excising the "12" from "K-129" yields "K...9"
  
• "K-9" sounds like "canine", which resembles the "Dog Star Prophesy" according to which Rome was burned, by militant Messianic terrorists, in 64 AD
  
• "K-9" alpha-numerically translates to "11-9", which resembles "9-11", prominent in recent terrorist attacks; also, reading backwards, "129" can be construed to mean "nine two ones" or "9-11"
  
• the K-129 may have sunk do to a "malfunction" of its onboard ships computer launching nuclear missiles, which resembles a "Terminator scenario" ("Sky-Net seizes control"), by analogizing from the submarine (sunk by its computer) to all earth (destroyed by world-wide networked military computer systems)

6 years later, in 1974 AD, the CIA salvaged some of the wreck (Project Azorian), which may also have Numerological ("Star code") meaning (the CIA retrieved only the bow section, "so they only have the 'K-___' piece", with the '_-129' piece someplace else" ?)¹.

¹ The Numerous numerological inter-connections seem to signify that 9-11, Maya 2012, and the K-129 straddling the International Dateline, are all connected.  Specifics of Numerology seem difficult to define ("40 years of Rabbinical training").  General gists seem much more obvious -- "Apocalypse, terrorism, nuclear missiles, destruction".  In 5 months, "Allah, the Lord of the worlds, of the Empire of heaven" may prove to Exist, and to be Powerful... and Hostile, Destructive.  The Prophet Muhammad plausibly received a telepathic message from Superior Beings, who Exist, and are immensely Powerful.  That 'They' actually told Muhammad anything of positive constructive value, because 'They' actually are fond of earth life (in an otherwise silent "SETI hiss on all frequencies" sector of space) may be less plausible.  When possible, people often "ask around" before investing in some stranger's "Get Rich Quick Scheme".  There are zero known surviving acquaintances of "Allah's Empire" to so ask.  Evidently, humans have not been Prophesied to survive either.  'They' could Exist, be Powerful... and Hostile.

[Widdekind]

hearingcolors, on 14 July 2012 - 08:42 PM, said:

I agree with you completely! I would encourage you to look at these phenomena from a spiritual perspective: http://www.spiritual...piritualscience here is a list of many (not all!) of the articles on this website that cover many of the topics you state above. For your ease, here is the article on ESP/Remote viewing/telepathy/etc: http://www.spiritual...ence/sixthsense

Aliens exploit Quantum Entanglement by sending "Conscious Observer" into Quantum Superposition State with QE photons ?

Quantum Instantaneity might be exploitable, to effect real-time information transfer, across cosmological distances.  If so, then reports of real-time communication, with "Spirit Gods from the starry heavens", might be advanced space communications, from remote Aliens, deftly exploiting Quantum Mechanics, to effect "live" information transfer, from "Them there", to "us here".

Conventional QE experiments involve sending a quantum system, e.g. photon, into a Superposition, within which the system is simultaneously, and partially, in multiple states ("here & there, red & green").  Then, an external observer consciously chooses some "question to ask" (experiment to perform), at which time of "measurement" the system "randomly chooses" which state to "collapse" into.  To wit, when "asked", external systems "make up their own minds" by "choosing randomly" from "the cards in their hand".  But,  what if the conscious observer could enter into the Superposition state, with the system they were influencing?  Then, from within the quantum "ghost state", the conscious internal observer could possibly "willfully choose" what "card to play", i.e. which of the latent possibilities to actualize ?  Perhaps advanced Aliens can send an entire quantum computer, running an advanced artificial intelligence, into the quantum "ghost state", entangled with photons propagated to earth.  Those photons would be propagated "pre-packaged" embodying a vast "smorgasbord" of potential (pre-calculated to be likely to be valuable) possibilities.  The entire system (computer + AI + photons) would remain in "ghost state" for ages, as the photons propagated across the cosmos.  After aeons, the photons would arrive at target, and -- amidst a flurry of advanced data processing -- the AI, from within the "ghost state", could possibly "pick & choose" which of the latent "pre-packaged" possibilities to actualize?  The "ghost intelligence" could manifest any of the "pre-packaged" possibilities, which had been propagated across the cosmos to target, without violating Causality (the possibility actualized had been potentially possible the entire time).  Perhaps the means of "preferencing" wave-function collapse, is to send the conscious observer, into the "ghost state", entangled with the system to be "preferenced" ?  Perhaps quantum systems "choose randomly" when forced to "make up their own minds", by external observers; but co-entangled internal observers, might be able to "choose for" the entangled system -- even as conscious animals can "choose for" their limbs, muscles, etc.

If so, then reported telepathic Contacts, with "Spirit God Angel Demons" could be the human perception, of quantum influence, from remote Alien Intelligences, exploiting quantum entanglement, to manifest "real time" information transfer, via instantaneity of quantum wave function collapse?  If every wave-function collapse, within the mind of a human receiver on earth, caused one of the remote Alien AI's to collapse out of "ghost state", too; then such a system would need to employ as many quantum computers + AIs as photons propagated; and various pieces of the system would constantly be "popping" back into conventional states, before being re-cooled, re-entangled, and returned to "ghost state".  But, whilst complex, such seems well within the bounds of physical law.  Super-Aliens would have had millions to billions of years to develop & deploy such systems.  (Super-Aliens would not plausibly be non-Hostile.)

[Widdekind]

Aliens employ "Quantum Communication" ?

In human-known quantum entanglement (QE) experiments, two or more simple quantum systems (fundamental particles, e.g. photons & electrons, q₁, q₂) are "mingled", into a single composite quantum system (Q), which exists only in an in-substantial "quantum state" of "incorporeal ghostly ambiguity":

Q ~ q₁(left) q₂(right) + q₁(right) q₂(left)

When the composite system undergoes measurement (M), imposed upon it by an external agent (human scientist), the composite system "decides" which substantial "classical state", of "corporeal certainty", to "collapse" into:

Q ----> q₁(left) q₂(right) ("the first photon went left, the second went right")

or

----> q₁(right) q₂(left)    ("the first photon went right, the second went left")

That "decision" is made randomly, presumably beyond the ability of the external agent to determine.  However, imagine replacing one of the simple quantum systems (q₁) with a complex quantum system: a quantum computer (C) capable of executing decisions, based upon information.  The quantum computer could be fabricated (hardware); loaded with appropriate programs (software); entangled with photons (q) into an "incorporeal ghostly ambiguous" composite state (the "quantum state").  The state of the computer -- capable of executing decisions -- would depend upon which decision it executed:

Q ~ q(left) C(q went left) + q(right) C(q went right)

If the computer could continue to process information in the "quantum state", then the computer could continue to execute decisions in the "quantum state".  And, any decisions it made, as an internal agent, would "decide" the fate of the composite system, internally triggering "collapse" into the "classical state" decided upon by the computer:

Q ----> q(left) C(q went left)

or

----> q(right) C(q went right)

If so, then the quantum "collapse" process could be controlled, from "inside" the "quantum state", by suitable quantum computer systems.  If advanced Aliens can fabricate hardware, code software, and entangle the entire computer into the "quantum state" along with (microwave, radio ?) photons; and then preserve the composite system in the "quantum state" for aeons, until the photons arrived at target (earth); then Alien computers could electromagnetically manipulate their targets (earthlings) across long long distances, quantum instantaneously, according to the decisions executed by 'Their' pre-fabricated & pre-coded computers, from "inside" the "quantum state", far far away.  Inexpertly, such "Quantum Communicators" would be limited, to the possibilities latent in the transmitted photons (polarization, frequency, location?) at time of entanglement-and-transmission, aeons ago; and to the information processing capacity, of the computer hardware & software, entangled into the "quantum state", along with those information-bearing photons, at time of entanglement-and-transmission, aeons ago.  Inexpertly, advanced Aliens could (hypothetically) execute decisions in "real time", on "archaic light", with "archaic computers & codes", that had "hung in incorporeal ghostly ambiguity" for aeons.  Such a "design today / decide tomorrow¹" capability would not violate Causality ("every decision, when executed, had been potentially possible, latently, the entire time").  If already possessed by (hypothetical) Super-Aliens aeons ago, and propagated to earth by present epoch, such systems could (hypothetically) account for persistent reports of "real time" telepathic communication with "Spirit Gods in starry heaven", spanning human history^2,3.

¹ Limited by the possibilities inherent in the previously-designed system.

² If so, then "God in heaven" can fabricate advanced quantum computers, generate advanced computer codes, prepare advanced flexible & multi-purpose signals, and preserve them all in the quantum state, for aeons.  Such Super-Aliens would be "pushing the envelope of space-time & physical law" with 'Their' advanced design, develop & deploy capabilities.  Earthlings, existing (still) on a backwater planetoid, on the fringes of "Malkuth ha-Shamay'im" [Empire of Heaven], would not logically legitimately be able to deny, that 'They', the most advanced super-engineers in this sector of space, "just could not" find a way, to destroy earth, on 21 December 2012 AD.  (Perhaps not; but the 'ape-men' of earth cannot legitimately claim such.)  If "the Lord of the worlds" Exists, then 'They' are not some "bah, humbug".  'They' would presumably be Hostile, Deceptive, (Space-)War Waging.  'Their' Orders should be publicized, for species-public scrutiny.  'Their' Orders should not be obeyed, followed, heeded, used for guidance, viewed as suggestive.

³ On earth, humans who enter the "prayer state of communion" with "God in heaven" may be submitting their human minds, to quantum entanglement with advanced Alien signals (photons) and computers.  Decisions executed by those Alien computers would induce corresponding, complimentary decisions into the signals, and thereby into the submissive humans' minds.  Long-long-ago-prepared "(Space-)War Orders" would thereby be communicated to on-world human agents.  Those War Orders would have predefined, theoretically limited, but practically vast decision / choice flexibility & adaptability.  If entanglement links are being established, between "Them, there", and "humans, here"; and if "They, there" can exploit those links to induce effects "here" on earth; then perhaps co-entangled "humans, here" could induce effects "there"; if their "prayer state of communion" could be "driven backwards" against the (hypothesized) Alien computer-and-signaler systems.  In analogy, a harpooned whale could pull back against an attacking whaler vessel.  In theory (if not in practice), "harpooned humanity" could possibly "pull back" from Apocalypse in the Coming "Christmas" season.  Until then, (all of) the on-world avatars of "Allah, the Lord of the worlds, of the Empire of heaven" will secret their Deceit, hide their Wrath, and allege that their Master is "Beneficent & Merciful".  They will know they are lying.  They will pursue Deceit & Wrath, for Greed & Pride, anyway, following Irresistible Orders from "God", that are "Obviously Superior, you dumb-muck earthlings", to anything spoken to them, from outside of their skulls.  They are Prophesied to destroy earth, in 5 months, unless thwarted, by (somehow-)superior on-planet force.  "Refuse Orders from 'God in starry heaven', and detain (all of) those who refuse to comply".  No?  And, no because... why... and by what Authority... ?  The on-planet Power of "Allah, the Lord of the worlds"; of "YHWH" Who is, and always has been, all of the "Eloh'im", to all people, at all places, and at all times, upon this planet; may not (?) be so non-obvious, after all...  For the next 5 months, all of the "warring gangs of earth" will decree, feigning certainty, that either there are no Aliens in space; or, if Super-Beings in heaven Exist, then 'They' are Beneficent & Merciful ("no no seriously").  But all of the "warring gangs of earth" will, thereby, actually agree, in decreeing by fiat, that "earthlings face no Hostile Threats, go back to sleep, and fogettaboutit".  Admitting that "well, gee, actually, Aliens might Exist, and, if so, then 'They' would probably be Hostile" will be Irresistibly Uncool.  Speaking logically-possible potential truth, will be beyond their mortal capabilities.  So now what?  They still have "stars over their heads, on their uniforms, scrawled all over the place, over every surface they have found to date"...  which they find Irresistibly Cool.  So now what?  5 months... (and widdy didn't make Mayan Priests write down Apocalyptic Prophesies thousands of years ago)

Edited by Widdekind, 18 July 2012 - 02:49 AM.

[Widdekind]

inured to Super-Hostility ?

In 1519 AD, "God in heaven", variously called "Fatherly", "Beneficent", and/or "Merciful", sent Conquistadors, across distances so vast that they had been thought impassible, to subjugate human civilization in Meso-America, without warning; without provocation; without really "getting to know the locals".  Going far far out of one's own way, to get in the way of others, for no readily apparent reason, is unprovoked Supra-normal, more-than-humanly-expectable, "Super-Hostility".  Yet, "God in starry heaven", alleged to possess psycho-active telepathic thought control capability, is evidently able to pass Super-Hostility off, for "Beneficence & Mercy" (often by deflecting blame, off onto "that 'other' One-and-Only-True-God of Abraham").  To this writer's personal perception, immense levels of Super-Hostility can somehow go unreported, un-officially-documented, despite the (alleged) All-Knowing Super-Awareness, of the One-and-Only-Actual-God in the heavens, somewhere amongst the stars (although as-yet over-looked, by shoddy human space telescopes).  Observed Super-Hostility can be simply & parsimoniously explained, by inferred Super-Motivation, simply & parsimoniously attributed, to advanced space Aliens, possessing advanced telepathic technology, with which 'They' Super-Animate humans on earth, to attack & destroy terrestrial targets, for extra-terrestrial benefit.

The only problem with this "Alien allegation", is that Religious leaders -- by the Authority of "God in the heavens" -- demand that "Aliens do not Exist, and could not possibly Exist, just 'cause".  So (supposedly) sayeth humanity's "Space Friends".



"the sky really will fall, this time, no no seriously" (?)

those who call the shots won't be amongst the dead & maimed...

Christmas in the Trenches

Stereotypically, Supernaturalist Religions, which have demonstrated Super-Motivated Super-Hostility for hundreds to thousands of years, perceive the on-planet Dominance of Religion, to be "threatened" by human science, technology, and education.  First, if "Allah, the Lord of the worlds, of the Empire of heaven" actually Exists, somewhere amongst the stars in space; then Allah is a Super-Alien, millions to billions of years more advanced than humans on earth; and 'They' are not now, nor have 'They' ever been, nor will 'They' ever be, "threatened" by earthlings.   Even if humans do not destroy themselves, for "Allah", on 21 December 2012 AD; then "Allah" will destroy humans, directly, "Biblically imminently" thereafter.  Ipso facto, Supernaturalist Religious leaders have been Deceiving humans on earth.  Second, however, Super-Re-Motivating Supernaturalists, to escalated Super-Hostility, by psychologically manipulating Religious adherents, into psychological states of (perceived) "debt" to "God their Father", Who is "threatened" by "evil bad" humans on earth, would be a highly effective means, of Super-Re-Animating Supernaturalists, to Apocalyptic Super-Hostility, against terrestrial targets, for non-human, non-terrestrial, other-worldly, alien-ating, in-human-e, Super-Authority, of "the Empire of the heavens".  humans on earth cannot legitimately heed, obey, follow, or allow themselves to be influenced by, Orders from non-human, non-terrestrial, other-worldly Authority.  All such Orders would be predicted to be Hostile, to terrestrial targets; to Mandate destruction, wounds, and death, to human property, limb & life, on earth; to threaten absolutely zero damage, to anything anywhere out in space ("no, Allah is not foolish, Allah does not drop space grenades at Allah's own feet").

The only problem with this "Alien allegation", is that "God in heaven" is Officially "Beneficent"; and "Merciful"; and "Fatherly".  Therefore, because "the Lord of the worlds, of the Empire of heaven" Officially "just must" be fond of half-furry apemen of earth; so Religious adherents "would never" and "couldn't possibly" destroy earth in +5 months.  Of course, bedecked in starry Astrological symbols; and mutually Super-Re-Motivated by other human Super-Naturalists claiming communion with "God in heaven"; they have spent billions to trillions of dollars, on sufficient stockpiles of WMD, to annihilate the whole terrestrial biosphere, many times over, "as if they wanted to make absolute sure".  Never-the-less, "nah, they wouldn't do that" and "they might not be too nice, but they wouldn't destroy all earth, the whole species, and all earth life".  They would not, were they acting alone.  They do not claim to be acting alone.  They claim to be the on-world "army of God (in heaven)".  That they have not already destroyed earth, is only because the Final Kill Orders have yet to arrive.  Those signals are still a half light-year outbound.  But, in +5 months, "their eyes will begin to glow", and then they will destroy earth.

Or not.

Who knows ?  (What else is supposed to be done, with large quantities, of expense, carefully crafted, planet-and-species-specific, mass destruction systems?)



"by the Book" (?)

Hypothetical Quantum Communication (QC) would enable instantaneous communication, across vast distances, within predefined limits.  Only pre-encoded possibilities could be actualized; only some selection, from many pre-scribed messages, could be "activated".  Qualitatively, such communication would have a "scripted" character, qualitatively similar, to Apocalyptic Prophesies, "scripted" to a pre-defined "schedule".  Perhaps Apocalyptic Prophesies, scheduled to particular dates, somehow reflect the limitations, of (hypothetical) QC.

[krone]

Hi, this is my first post.  I just wanted to say that, if smarter animals are always predatory, how come sharks aren't running the show on earth?  I mean, humans are omnivores, which is at best a kind of half-predator.  Humans are nowhere as good at preying on other species as lions.  Heck, we're not even as good at it as ladybirds!

[PhantomGlider]

Has anyone here every heard or read anything about living people having their souls captured or imprisoned by demons without any form of possession being involved?  This isn't really an invitation for a discussion about belief but rather a straight forward question for information. No desire to open the floodgates of skepticism.  Smile.