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#106    Stellar

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:52 PM

View PostCoffey, on 06 April 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:



I never said they would use them or should.

I was specifically pointing out that drones can carry that payload so arming them with a lesser payload that can be used to wipe out the NK forces without troop support would not be difficult.

I know all about the differences and different payloads etc.

You have absolutely no idea regarding how war is waged, nor the capabities and limitations of drones. What you're saying is purely fantasy.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 02:22 AM

Stick to discussing the subject...not one another.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:47 AM

View PostCoffey, on 06 April 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

That's the same with NK then... If the US didn't antagonise NK then maybe NK would be as blood thursty with nukes etc.

When we did go for AH he gave us hell.
I rekcon if we tried these games the US is playing on NK, on AH... He would have held of going for Stalin and we would have been royally *****ed. You can praise the UK and US airforce as much as you want, we would have got blitzed if most of Hitlers army wasn't sent East to go for Stalin. Not a lot of people realise that. We got the easy side and struggled more with it.

No it's not, it's exactly the opposite of what I'm trying to say. Chamberlain went all out not to antagonise Adolf. It didn't really have much effect, did it. Perhaps if he had been firmer to begin with, Adolf might not have thought that he could get away with anything.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 09:54 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 07 April 2013 - 06:47 AM, said:

No it's not, it's exactly the opposite of what I'm trying to say. Chamberlain went all out not to antagonise Adolf. It didn't really have much effect, did it. Perhaps if he had been firmer to begin with, Adolf might not have thought that he could get away with anything.
True, with France and Britian failing to do anything Germany went on a rampage


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:05 AM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 07 April 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

True, with France and Britian failing to do anything Germany went on a rampage
Many today view Iran in this way.  And i'm one of them.  But today just as in the 30's, people are so unwilling to strike at evil for fear of the consequences that they wait for evil to strike the first blow.  In a world of nuclear weapons a first blow can be the only one that is needed.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:15 AM

View Postand then, on 07 April 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

Many today view Iran in this way.  And i'm one of them.  But today just as in the 30's, people are so unwilling to strike at evil for fear of the consequences that they wait for evil to strike the first blow.  In a world of nuclear weapons a first blow can be the only one that is needed.
You know something, you maybe onto something, you noticed that the US as been at war with countries that dont have nuclear weapons in the past 20-30 years. It has avoided with the Soviets and Pakistan and China. But if the US says that North Korea does not have the stuff to deliver a nuclear weapon and is years away. So my question is, do the Americans know that the NK has indeed nuclear weapons already and maybe thats why they have not done anything about it but trying to calm down. If so then why have they put anti missile defences in the US mainland, they know the NK missiles can't reach the mainland.

Also another interesting thing that's in my mind, these 2 missiles that are in the east of NK, I don't think these are tests or drills, they say that they dont know where they are going but now today they allies claim its a test. Again if so why is there a drone in Japan, why has Japan going to shoot down the missiles? why are the missiles and launchers in camo? If NK wanted to test them, surely it would have told everyone?


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:48 AM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 07 April 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

You know something, you maybe onto something, you noticed that the US as been at war with countries that dont have nuclear weapons in the past 20-30 years. It has avoided with the Soviets and Pakistan and China. But if the US says that North Korea does not have the stuff to deliver a nuclear weapon and is years away. So my question is, do the Americans know that the NK has indeed nuclear weapons already and maybe thats why they have not done anything about it but trying to calm down. If so then why have they put anti missile defences in the US mainland, they know the NK missiles can't reach the mainland.

Also another interesting thing that's in my mind, these 2 missiles that are in the east of NK, I don't think these are tests or drills, they say that they dont know where they are going but now today they allies claim its a test. Again if so why is there a drone in Japan, why has Japan going to shoot down the missiles? why are the missiles and launchers in camo? If NK wanted to test them, surely it would have told everyone?
I have no idea what the Norks are thinking but placing missile defenses is just a prudent step.  One never knows what a secret culture is capable of.  If our intel is wrong (again) then that would be a pretty breathtaking mistake.  A short range scud with a high altitude airburst on either coast could ruin America in an instant.  Container ship with a foreign flag, one of the containers has a scud...boom....
Make no mistake, someone would pay big time but it would not change what had happened here.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 12:15 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 07 April 2013 - 06:47 AM, said:

No it's not, it's exactly the opposite of what I'm trying to say. Chamberlain went all out not to antagonise Adolf. It didn't really have much effect, did it. Perhaps if he had been firmer to begin with, Adolf might not have thought that he could get away with anything.

Not at all, AH didn't go after Britian until Churchill antogonised him. Before that he only went after France who he had a vendetta against because of WW1 and then went for Stalin, he would never have went for Stalin if he knew Britian was going to go for him. He was far too intelligent for that. He would have kept his false allied state with stalin until he had wiped out Britian etc first. That proves that nto antogonising him actually gave us a very big advanatage. It made him shift most of his force East to Russia where they suffered from terrain and habitat.

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 07 April 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

True, with France and Britian failing to do anything Germany went on a rampage

Not compeltely true and France certianly did not do nothing. They fought pretty damn hard. They had bad leadership during battle which was their downfall.

As for Germany going on a rampage, that worked out in our favour, as they rampaged East.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:02 PM

All the talk from the Chinese Leader in the last couple of days suggest they grow weary of North Korea's games.

http://www.washingto...5f35_story.html

Listening to the former US Ambassador to China on TV,he is suggesting that everybody should stop giving aid to North Korea every time they ramp up their threats.
My personal take is that the US should call North Korea's bluff.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:13 PM

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"My personal take is that the US should call North Korea's bluff." s1
There's no denying the appeal of that suggestion. But I've never seen a one-sided coin.

The other side of that coin is:
how many lives of U.S. troops are we willing to sacrifice for that? How many more $War $Billions are we prepared to squander?
How many more severely injured troops are we willing to welcome home, to a life-long commitment of health care for them 24/7 in some cases?

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:00 PM

Well the US has decided to hold off on a missile test they had been planning for a while. So the Americans have shown that they're willing to step back and have given NK an opening to to stop all their threats. Now we need to see if North Korea will behave or if they'll continue to beat the war drum.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:50 PM

View Postsear, on 07 April 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

There's no denying the appeal of that suggestion. But I've never seen a one-sided coin.

The other side of that coin is:
how many lives of U.S. troops are we willing to sacrifice for that? How many more $War $Billions are we prepared to squander?
How many more severely injured troops are we willing to welcome home, to a life-long commitment of health care for them 24/7 in some cases?
What about the Civilians?


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:51 PM

View PostCorp, on 07 April 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

Well the US has decided to hold off on a missile test they had been planning for a while. So the Americans have shown that they're willing to step back and have given NK an opening to to stop all their threats. Now we need to see if North Korea will behave or if they'll continue to beat the war drum.
A South Korean commander and US have postponed their meetings respectively, I think they know something is going to go wrong


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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:35 PM

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"What about the Civilians?" RN
U.S. civilian contractors in combat zone?
NK civilian collateral casualties?

War kills people and breaks things. For whatever reasons, it's customary to list U.S. troop casualties; as in Iraq.
But Iraq's War dead may tally an order of magnitude or more than that, if we included Iraqi civilians.

One of Uncle Sam's excuses for not doing so is, they say they don't have an accurate corpse count.

How convenient.

Lookit RN.
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They're monsters. Earth would be a better planet if the entire NK regime were to magically vanish.

I'm not defending KJU, or his henchmen.
But I don't think we should necessarily overlook John Adams' wise insight:

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:43 PM

View PostCorp, on 07 April 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

Well the US has decided to hold off on a missile test they had been planning for a while. So the Americans have shown that they're willing to step back and have given NK an opening to to stop all their threats. Now we need to see if North Korea will behave or if they'll continue to beat the war drum.

North Korea Will bang the drum forever,because they know eventually that the west will come to the table and give them what they want.This cycle needs to be broken.

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