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#4216    Abramelin

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:23 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 April 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

Not ignoring your post, Alewyn, but I keep finding things...

An English version of that Dutch book, "Het Boek Tuisco", by Richter:

The Sky-God Dyaeus
http://www.scribd.co...e-SkyGod-Dyaeus

And then something Puzz will be interested in:

The Dutch amber trading routes  
http://groups.google...version=8&pli=1

German:
Die Bayerische Chronik weist noch weitere interessante Details auf. Die erste Karte Bayerns, die Johannes Turmair als Anlage zur Chronik erstellt hat, enthält Hinweise auf Brennernamen. Auf dieser Karte werden die Bewohner der Umgebung Münchens die „Brenni“ genannt. Die Amper heißt auf dieser Karte noch „Amber“ und Frauenau wird analog an Braunaw (Braunau/Inn) mit dem Namen „Brauenaw“, d.h. Brauenau geführt. Des weiteren erwähnt die Titelbeschriftung dieser Karte die Litauer als Germanenbrüder der Bayern. Somit ist der Bernsteinhandel zum Ende des Mittelalters in Bayern immer noch deutlich präsent. Die Bayerische Chronik legt außerdem einen deutlichen Verband zwischen dem Bernsteinhandel und den deutschen und jüdischen Religionen. Offensichtlich haben die Handelsrouten eine enge Verknüpfung aller beteiligten Völker und deren religiösen Ansichten bewirkt, so daß die Zentren für die androgyne Religion sich überall entlang der Handelsroute ausdehnen konnten.

Johannes Turmair verweist in der Baierischen Chronik auch auf die Unterstützung der Deutschen in der Schlacht um Troja. Deutsche Krieger sollen beim Untergang Trojas auf der Seite der Trojaner gekämpft und danach wohlbehalten aus dem Krieg heimgekehrt sein. Diese Unterstützung kann nur im Rahmen des gemeinsamen Bernsteinhandels verstanden werden.


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The Bavarian Chronicle has other interesting details. The first map of Bavaria, created by Johannes Turmair as an attachment to the Chronicle, contains references to Brenner names. On this map, the inhabitants in the environment of Munich, the "Brenni" are mentioned. The Amper on this map are still called "Amber", and Frauenau is analog to Braunaw (Braunau) with the name "Brauenaw", ie Brauenau. Furthermore, the title of this map mentions the Lithuanians as brothers of the German Bavarians. Thus, the amber trade at the end of the Middle Ages in Bavaria is still clearly present. The Bavarian Chronicle also produces a significant association between the amber trade and the German and Jewish religions. Obviously, the trade routes created narrow links between all its peoples and their religious beliefs, and caused the centers for the androgynous religion to extend anywhere along the trade route.

In the Bavarian Chronicle Johannes Turmair also points to the support of the Germans in the Battle for Troy. German soldiers were fighting during the fall of Troy on the side of the Trojans, and then returned home safely after the war. This support can only be understood in the context of the common amber trade.


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Edited by Abramelin, 08 April 2011 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:41 PM

Hello?? Anyone???

A "Bavarian Herodotus" from the 16th century created a list of Teutonic kings, heroes and rulers, starting right after the Flood, around 2200 BC... "ruling over vast swathes of Germany and surrounding regions"... " fighting on the  side of the Trojans".... "involving themselves in numerous events from Biblical and Classical history"....  "these rulers and their exploits are mostly fictitious, though some are derived from mythological, legendary or historical figures"... a chronicler having problems with the Pope and the Roman Catholics...




Not one single name (OK, a few do) in that list even sounds similar to what we read in the OLB, but what this Turmair wrote sure as hell looks like a centuries old variation on and precursor of the OLB theme to me.


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Edited by Abramelin, 08 April 2011 - 01:17 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 01:06 PM

View PostAlewyn, on 08 April 2011 - 09:56 AM, said:

My Dear Puzzler,
I have all along tried to keep religion out of this discussion but you seem to come back to it every time. The fact that you will Christianity to be a farce does not make it such.

I have no intention to convert you to Christianity, but I do believe that it is only fair to expect you to have read the Bible before you express an opinion about it. I am not talking here about snippets that you have heard in school, university, anti-Christian web sites, over or during Christmas, etc.

Reading the Bible and understanding it is, of course, two very different things. The Bible consists of 66 books written by numerous authors over a period of more than 2000 years. Many of these authors did not know or read the work of the others. Yet, the central theme about God's involvement and caring for his creation is a common thread throughout the Bible.

Obviously, Christianity had been hijacked, distorted and corrupted by many through the ages and, more often than not, under the guise of Christianity. This still applies to many so-called Christian denominations today. This still does not prove that all ministers of religion are corrupt, as you have now stated a number of times.

The same is happening in Islam where there are very divergent views on their religion (which, interestingly enough, grew out of Judaism and Christianity) – to the extent that they are willing to kill each other over it. Even the OLB complains that the Magyarar stole their religion and corrupted it.

One needs a bit of wisdom to be able to distinguish between truth and fallacy i.r.o. the Bible and Christianity. That you can only do if you know and understand the Bible and its principles, and by comparing it to other religions.
You keep knocking Christianity, but have you ever thought what the world would have been without it?

Where do you find freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, democracy, social tolerance, social justice and upliftment, free enterprise, the rule of law, etc., etc., in combination?  All these only exist together in Christian or former Christian countries.

Do you think you will be able to criticize the state in many of the countries in the East (China, Russia, Korea, etc.) or do you think you will live to tell the tale if you say anything against Islam in the Middle East? Just this last week they rioted in Afghanistan and killed a number of people, because some misguided priest burned a Koran in America – thousands of kilometers away.

I can assure you that some of the most prominent intellectuals in the world today (including natural scientists) are Christians. Why would you believe their academic credentials if they are such fools as to believe in Christ? Still others, who do not want to acknowledge the existence of God, try to explain the existence of the universe through the theory of "Intelligent Design". Think about it.

Your speculation that the three wise men from the East went to Israel to found a new dispensation is absolutely laughable and ridiculous. For centuries before the birth of Christ, the Jews prophesized the coming of their Messiah. In fact, they still believe that today. The fact that they did not accept Jesus as the Messiah, has nothing to do with the three wise men. From nowhere, you, Puzzler, now make the earth-shattering discovery that has evaded the most brilliant minds throughout the ages.

Just as a little aside: Ignoring Jesus' deity for the moment, what is your opinion about him as a person? After all, the very fiber of Western society can be traced back to him. Therefore, I assume you must have some views about him.

Alewyn I don't understand why you are skirting around religion. After all it is, and has apparently been a major influence on man since well before the age of the written word.

Now I understand you don't wish the thread to degenerate into a punch and counter punch centred around religious belief which is fair enough.However why leave out such a huge piece of history for fear of a perceived idea? I'm sure the moderators on here will control that in any case.

As for myself I understand what the Puzz is saying but of course I've no need to defend her statement in anyway, that's for her to address.

To my mind unearthing where religion strayed from it's path is simple to explain in the extreme.

I firmly believe there are always those who wish to control others for their own gain.

What I object to is the formation of elite bodies within society as they can have an influence beyond their number which leaves them untouched by common law, decency and fairness.

Yet it grows at a pace. It's possibly worse today than ever before. IMO.


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 01:27 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 April 2011 - 12:41 PM, said:

Hello?? Anyone???

A "Bavarian Herodotus" from the 16th century created a list of Teutonic kings, heroes and rulers, starting right after the Flood, around 2200 BC... "ruling over vast swathes of Germany and surrounding regions"... " fighting on the  side of the Trojans".... "involving themselves in numerous events from Biblical and Classical history"....  "these rulers and their exploits are mostly fictitious, though some are derived from mythological, legendary or historical figures"... a chronicler having problems with the Pope and the Roman Catholics...




Not one single name (OK, a few do) in that list even sounds similar to what we read in the OLB, but what this Turmair wrote sure as hell looks like a centuries old variation on and precursor of the OLB theme to me.


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Yes Abe I see the parallels between that work and the OLB. Had Johannes Tumair's work been taken seriously we might be discussing that as well.

However I also see Greeks attaching themselves to the Iliad. I see how easily history from the distant past has been funnelled along one path since the time of Alexander the Great but there aren't too many takers with in academic circles are there?


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 01:42 PM

View PostFlashbangwollap, on 08 April 2011 - 01:27 PM, said:

Yes Abe I see the parallels between that work and the OLB. Had Johannes Tumair's work been taken seriously we might be discussing that as well.

However I also see Greeks attaching themselves to the Iliad. I see how easily history from the distant past has been funnelled along one path since the time of Alexander the Great but there aren't too many takers with in academic circles are there?

I think the 19th century writers of the OLB took Tumair's work "seriouslÿ", LOL !!.

It appears to me that it has been a centuries old tradition to link one's national history to the ancient Greeks and Trojans, or even further back, to Biblical patriarchs.


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OK, here's the list of the Teutonic kings:



All the Terms of Office are in years BC:

1 Tuitsch or Tuisto, son of Noah: Ruler over 32 Counties (??). Term of office: 2214-2038 (2214-1978)
Noah gave him the land between the Don and the Rhine, which was then called Greater Germany. He made Köln-Deutz into his Capital

2 Mannus or Mann, Term of office: 1978-1906 (1978-1912)
Only in 1978 Mannus takes over the government of Western Europe and is the successor to his father Tuitsch.

3 Eingeb or Ingaevon, term of office: 1906-1870 (1912-1872)
Son of Mannus or Ninus - Asshur - was the German Mercury.
His wife Freia was the German Venus.

4 Ausstaeb or Istaevon, term of office: 1870-1820 (1872-1820)
Son of Eingeb. Ausstaeb was the German Mars.

5 Herman, son of Ausstaeb 1820-1757
6 Mers 1757-1711
7 Gampar 711-1667
8 Schwab, father of the Schwabe nation 1667 to 1621
9 Wandler 1621-1580
10 Deuto, father of the Teutonics 1580-1553
11 Alman (Allmann or Altman), the German Hercules. 1553-1489
12 Baier 1489-1429
13 Ingram or Ingramus 1429-1377
14 Adalger or Adelges 1377-1328
15 Larein 1328-1277
16 Ylsing or Ulsing. This is the Trojan
Ulysses of Tacitus. He is also the Greek Odysseus,
of the Atlantic who had been traveling and had visited the Rhine 1277-1224
17 Brenner or Breno, son of Ylsing. 1224-1186
18 Heccar (Hykar or Highter) Brenner's son. He is the
Hector from the first famous Trojan War. 1186-1155
19 Frank (Francus or Franco) 1155-1114
20 Wolfsheim Siclinger 1114-1056
21 Kels, Gal and Hillyr 1056-1006
22 Alber 1006-946
23 Walther, Panno and Scharde 946-884
24 Main, Ängel and Treibl 884-814
25 Myela, Laber and Penno 814-714
26 Venno and Helto 714-644
27 Mader (Madyas) 644-589
28 Brenner II and Koenman. After the death of Koenman the
Bavarians in Italy were led by the following kings: Zeck,
Ber (the founder of Bern or Verona) and Breitmar. 589-479
29 Landein with his sons 479-399
30 Brenner III 399-361
31 Schirm, the son of Brenner III. He and his son Brenner IV
ruled until 60 years after Alexander's death - although Brenner IV
died earlier. Brenner organized a powerful attack on
Greece, looted Macedonia and the oracle
in Delphi but was killed in 279 killed. 361-263
32 Thessel, son of Brenner IV 279-194
33 Dieth I 194-172
34 Baermund and Synpol 172-127
35 Boiger, Kels and Teutenbuecher 127-100
36 Scheirer 100-70
37 Ernst (Arionistus) and Vocho 70-50
38 Pernpeist. After the expulsion from Italy, the Bavarians lived 127 years
on the Drava and Danube. During the rule of Pernpeist
they left their home and settled on the rivers Dniester and Dnieper,
where they were located for about 550 years 50-40
39 Cotz, Dieth II and Creitschir approximately 40-13

40 From this time there is anarchy in the German area, where
the ruling families cancel each other out. The Franks then
take the lead. See: "Compendium", chapter XII A.


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Edited by Abramelin, 08 April 2011 - 01:58 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 01:45 PM

View PostAlewyn, on 08 April 2011 - 09:50 AM, said:

Funny that you should quote (and apparently believe) the little Oera Linda Book, but discard the Bible.
No, it's not really. They are completely different.


I have just spent the last few hours reading more of your book, especially the part from the Persians through to The Homecoming, I liked that part alot and I must commend you again on outstanding research in the historic parts from the later part of the 1st millenium BC, I think what you say makes much sense. It does sound like the Frisians that Tacitus describes and many other parts I really enjoyed reading just then.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:02 PM

View PostAlewyn, on 08 April 2011 - 09:56 AM, said:

My Dear Puzzler,
I have all along tried to keep religion out of this discussion but you seem to come back to it every time. The fact that you will Christianity to be a farce does not make it such.

I have no intention to convert you to Christianity, but I do believe that it is only fair to expect you to have read the Bible before you express an opinion about it. I am not talking here about snippets that you have heard in school, university, anti-Christian web sites, over or during Christmas, etc.

Reading the Bible and understanding it is, of course, two very different things. The Bible consists of 66 books written by numerous authors over a period of more than 2000 years. Many of these authors did not know or read the work of the others. Yet, the central theme about God’s involvement and caring for his creation is a common thread throughout the Bible.

Obviously, Christianity had been hijacked, distorted and corrupted by many through the ages and, more often than not, under the guise of Christianity. This still applies to many so-called Christian denominations today. This still does not prove that all ministers of religion are corrupt, as you have now stated a number of times.

The same is happening in Islam where there are very divergent views on their religion (which, interestingly enough, grew out of Judaism and Christianity) – to the extent that they are willing to kill each other over it. Even the OLB complains that the Magyarar stole their religion and corrupted it.

One needs a bit of wisdom to be able to distinguish between truth and fallacy i.r.o. the Bible and Christianity. That you can only do if you know and understand the Bible and its principles, and by comparing it to other religions.
You keep knocking Christianity, but have you ever thought what the world would have been without it?

Where do you find freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association, democracy, social tolerance, social justice and upliftment, free enterprise, the rule of law, etc., etc., in combination?  All these only exist together in Christian or former Christian countries.

Do you think you will be able to criticize the state in many of the countries in the East (China, Russia, Korea, etc.) or do you think you will live to tell the tale if you say anything against Islam in the Middle East? Just this last week they rioted in Afghanistan and killed a number of people, because some misguided priest burned a Koran in America – thousands of kilometers away.

I can assure you that some of the most prominent intellectuals in the world today (including natural scientists) are Christians. Why would you believe their academic credentials if they are such fools as to believe in Christ? Still others, who do not want to acknowledge the existence of God, try to explain the existence of the universe through the theory of “Intelligent Design”. Think about it.

Your speculation that the three wise men from the East went to Israel to found a new dispensation is absolutely laughable and ridiculous. For centuries before the birth of Christ, the Jews prophesized the coming of their Messiah. In fact, they still believe that today. The fact that they did not accept Jesus as the Messiah, has nothing to do with the three wise men. From nowhere, you, Puzzler, now make the earth-shattering discovery that has evaded the most brilliant minds throughout the ages.

Just as a little aside: Ignoring Jesus’ deity for the moment, what is your opinion about him as a person? After all, the very fiber of Western society can be traced back to him. Therefore, I assume you must have some views about him.
You don't have to convert me, I already am one (on paper) and I answered your last question here, I thought, before you asked it, in this post...

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In saying that I'll also add I was Christened and on that it says I am Church of England.

The OLB tells us Jessos, who I reckon is probably Jesus, was actually very good and spread a good word and that to me is the backbone of what Jesus is about.

The OLB recognises this too by telling us about how the light of Frya and Jessos will be stamped out by these priests.

But when the priests fancy that they have entirely extinguished the light of Frya and Jessos, then shall all classes of men rise up who have quietly preserved the truth among themselves, and have hidden it from the priests.

Essentially the message of Jessos is good but the priests have manipulated it as well.

So, essentially I think again the OLB is true in this regard and if you read what I say correctly you will understand I am in no way putting jesus down at all, in fact, I am applauding him, they place him in the same league as Frya, very high - he was not bad - the manipulators were. The OLB tells us this Alewyn, it tells us this in the part I've highlighted, they took Jesus name and made it what he was not.

You should be listening to what it says, you put so much time into your book.

You, on a few times, condemned me for not knowing aboutreligion but I know quite alot, I have spent my whole life investigating this phenomenom called religion.

You are not hearing me - it is the Catholic priests and Church that I, as well as the OLB are condemning as being the factor that made men think they had to do all this crazy stuff to get the Heaven ---like come off the grass, we go in the ground, end of story. In my opinion anyway, there is nothing else, it's all made up.

It's not Jesus and his original message and the friends he had that CONTINUED TO PREACH HIS MESSAGE - in my opinion, possible ancestors of disciples - but the men who used his name to then create something that wasn't and make people do things they didn't have to.

I'm proud to be Church of England, that is, part of the group that evolved from Henry VIII splitting from that demanding Pope. I also know alot about Elizabeth the First in studies I did in that area and an interest in her and the control the Pope had on her was mind-boggling, I've read her story. Things changed then, and still today we have clashes between Catholics and other groups who chooe to follow Jesus in a lesser way. Christians to me represent people who are looking and finding the true message of Jesus, told TO US IN THE OLB, they are people who are NOT part of the Catholic Church anymore in my eyes and are looking for a way to worship a man who did indeed preach love and peace, humility and compassion - too bad it got mixed up with having to do ridiculously stupid things to find it.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:08 PM

I am not too sensitive to discuss religion, but I think this thread will derail if we continue talking about it.

I found a list of Teutonic kings, dating from 2200 BC and onwards, and you people are nitpicking about nothing important for this thread.

OK, ok, I know why YOU post what you post, concerning Jessos/Jesus, Puzz.

But I think you understand what this discussion will lead to...


EDIT:

Puzz, if only you were able to read German, you would most certainly LOVE this site:

http://394430.forumr...SER=user_394430

It's the same site I got that kinglist from, and it's all about ancient amber routes in Europe...



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Edited by Abramelin, 08 April 2011 - 02:17 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:27 PM

Edit: OK, Ok, last one on this, I've made my point as best I can.


I am not a Christian apparently because I do not practice or believe in this...

belief in God the Father, Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the Holy Spirit
the death, descent into hell, resurrection, and ascension of Christ
the holiness of the Church and the communion of saints
Christ's second coming, the Day of Judgement and salvation of the faithful.



Even though I have a bit of paper that tells me I am one.


So, what is a Christian? Someone who practises the above as defined as being what a Christian should believe in?

Or someone who believes in the message of a genuine man named Jesus, who, whenever he lived, spread a message of love, peace, understanding and compassion of humankind and to each other? His message should transcend all time boundaries, it is universal and I don't need to go to Church to understand this.

I'm sorry that I'm not a Biblical Christian on the outside and no you won't convert me to believe in some hell, resurrection and salvation but I am a true believer of the Word of Christ according to the OLB.

It pegs people in holes, oh, I can only be a believer of Christ if I do A, B and C.

If you wholeheartedly believe the OLB as much as it appears you do Alewyn you will realise this is no one else but Jesus they speak of and you should give it your BEST attention. Not gloss over it as though it wasn't part of the book.

I never got it until I read the OLB, to me it was like a life long revelation had come over me and I understood perfectly how and why we have been under the control of the Church's for thousands of years. Alewyn, you might know plenty about the Bible but do you know the struggles of people like Nicolas Copernicus, Galileo and others who were trying to give us scientific knowledge all this time and having it suppressed because it didn't adhere to the Church's ideas?

Copernicus had to add a note in his book with profuse apologies to the Church and how his work should not be taken as fact before it could be published.  :(

Edited by The Puzzler, 08 April 2011 - 02:28 PM.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:29 PM

I am going to call in the cavalry if you don't stop, LOL.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:36 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 April 2011 - 02:08 PM, said:

I am not too sensitive to discuss religion, but I think this thread will derail if we continue talking about it.

I found a list of Teutonic kings, dating from 2200 BC and onwards, and you people are nitpicking about nothing important for this thread.

OK, ok, I know why YOU post what you post, concerning Jessos/Jesus, Puzz.

But I think you understand what this discussion will lead to...


EDIT:

Puzz, if only you were able to read German, you would most certainly LOVE this site:

http://394430.forumr...SER=user_394430

It's the same site I got that kinglist from, and it's all about ancient amber routes in Europe...



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I think I just about can read German, now.  :geek:

I'll see how I go.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:41 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 08 April 2011 - 02:36 PM, said:

I think I just about can read German, now.  :geek:

I'll see how I go.

I think I can read cuneiform too, but I'll have to wait till much later today...

Cheers, hahaha !!


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:51 PM

Heh, I could have saved myself the trouble of translating:

http://www.cgca.net/...ium/hhc2ch2.htm

See the list again, scroll down to "KINGS OF ANCIENT GERMANY".

And lots of extra 'info'...

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Edited by Abramelin, 08 April 2011 - 02:54 PM.


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Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:52 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 April 2011 - 10:00 AM, said:

Well, I also do not want to go into a discussion about religion.

I found something much better to talk about:

According to Johannes Turmair (Bayerische Chronik & Deutsche Chronik) there was a succession of Teutonic kings stretching back to the Great Flood, ruling over vast swathes of Germany and surrounding regions until the 1st century BC, and involving themselves in numerous events from Biblical and Classical history. These rulers and their exploits are mostly fictitious, though some are derived from mythological, legendary or historical figures

http://en.wikipedia....s_of_the_Angles

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EDIT:

More here (in German):

http://394430.forumr...4430&threadid=2

A quote:

3 Eingeb oder Ingaevon, Amtszeit: 1906-1870 (1912-1872)
Sohn des Mannus oder Ninus -- Asshur - war der deutsche Merkur.
Seine Ehefrau Freia war die deutsche Venus.


(Ingaevon, ruled from 1906-1870, son of Mannus/Ninus -- Asshhur -- was the German Mercury. His wife was Freia, the German Venus.)

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From Alewyns book -

"When one sees a term like "comprehensive corpus of works, one should take note."

Comprehensive corpus of fantastical, apocryphal and mystified historic works, which deal with the origins and identity of the Frisians.

"When a certain myth doggedly persists, there must be something behind it"

I liked that.

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Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:58 PM

View PostThe Puzzler, on 08 April 2011 - 02:52 PM, said:

From Alewyns book -

"When one sees a term like "comprehensive corpus of works, one should take note."

Comprehensive corpus of fantastical, apocryphal and mystified historic works, which deal with the origins and identity of the Frisians.

"When a certain myth doggedly persists, there must be something behind it"

I liked that.

This is what I told Flash:

"It appears to me that it has been a centuries old tradition to link one's national history to the ancient Greeks and Trojans, or even further back, to Biblical patriarchs."

What the OLB did was turn this tradition upside down: it all started in Europe, and then it spread to the east/Med/Middle East, and so on.

That was because the Frisians were of course greater than any other human being, lol.

Btw: personally I think the list with the Teutonic Kings and their adventures by that 16th century writer is sort of a bomb under the OLB...



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Edited by Abramelin, 08 April 2011 - 03:21 PM.