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Possible Over-unity Devices


RabidCat

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Opening of this topic is for information and reference; if there are any questions, I will try to answer.

Keep in mind that these devices have been patented; that both are operational is not open to question. As such, any commentary pertaining to them that indicates that the concepts are irrational in any way will not be answered, but ignored.

I would like to keep this thread on a straight and narrow path to discovery. Both these inventions have the potential for providing energy beyond the input. Quotation of entropy, "can't get something for nothing", and so forth I will ignore, simply because the inventions exist and are viable.

The first is the Ecklin generator. The generator consists of a permanent magnet and a winding, each fixed to an individual core. Both are fixed, and the magnetic field is altered using deflection, similar in style to a switched reluctance motor. Rather than draw the device, I include a link which (hopefully) will guide you to a set of drawings and a more complete explanation of operation.

http://www.kz1300.com/ecklin/

The device has been constructed successfully by numerous people. However, it does have one fault, likely as not inserted by Ecklin as a diversion: the deflection of the field essentially is backwards. By this, I mean that instead of deflecting the field via the bars, a rotor should aid the field, so that the flux is steered towards the fixed coil rather than away from it. This, in itself, would increase the efficiency of the device dramatically.

Keep in mind also that a flywheel will smooth the acceleration/deceleration of the rotor; while it will not decrease the power input, the torque ripple will decrease, such that the pull of the magnet will be smoothed, showing a smoother load on the drive.

I make no claims other than the fact that it will generate electrical power, and deserves the attention of interested parties for development. Perhaps in your garage, you can discover the way to over-unity with this.

The second is the Gray motor. This device uses pulsed magnetic repulsion to generate mechanical power. Coils are wound on stator and rotor, and energized with like poles aligned. This configuration implies no interaction of stator coils/rotor fields and vice versa, which is one of the main detractions of conventional motors (the interaction of coil/field produces counter currents which must be overcome). The device is quite complex, but new and different methods of drive can be developed, and the configuration could be streamlined to provide a reasonable mechanical/electrical configuration.

Gray claimed over-unity.

The link to the patent follows:

http://www.rexresearch.com/evgray/1gray.htm#10

Again, operation of the device has been verified by numerous independent researchers. This device could provide an extremely efficient auto engine replacement, if nothing else.

Any questions I can answer will be welcomed.

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Based on similar theory to Ecklin's generator is a thing called MEG, developed by Bearden. The principle is that the permanent magnet flux can be deflected in a similar way using deflection coils. The driver electronics are rather unique.

More details on this can be found on Naudin's website. Also there are links to Bearden's site.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm

The interesting aspect of all this in this time of high energy costs is that a combination of these inventions could well power an automobile electrically. While it may be that use of these wouldn't necessarily be 100% fuel free, the possibility remains that the electric car with these inventions would have extended range and be quite practical in reducing our energy needs from fossil fuels.

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Rabid...

I have just completed reading the 4 pages on the Ecklin Generator, and what I think is around 64 pages of printed material on the Gray EMA Motor, including the patent.

I am not an electrical engineer, of course, so I took some time going through all this to make sure I understood what was happening with these devices.

I have to say that this is pretty "cool" stuff (no pun intended).

What I find distressing, but all-too-common is the trouble that crawls out of the woodwork when someone actually innovates outside of the box, as-it-were.

I think the implications of such devices are obvious, and from a scientific...and human standpoint, it doesn't seem possible not to be excited by these things. Idealistically, one should think that such people as these should be honored and supported in their development.

Fantastic is an apropos description of these things.

However, my own idealistic feelings about these devices are tempered by my knowedge of human "reality", where idealism is spoken of, invention encouraged, and all of that, but is actually suppressed where such innovation "bucks the system", or threatens the status-quo, and all that is associated with it.

Suppression, carefully constructed methods to eliminate fuunding for the projects, bogus fraud investigations that are baseless and are continued only until the subject of the investigation is broke and can't continue his work...how typical does that sound?

These machines obviously exist, and work. I think the fear is that they threaten the base of the economy, and the profitable businesses that support it. Fear, in other words.

Of course, we're all aware that fossil fuels power the economy. We're also all aware that they release pollutants into the atmosphere. Of course, for the most part, our planet is pefectly capable of taking care of the levels of pollutants discharged by humans, but it is also true that in local systems, the atmosphere is in a perpetual state of rather unhealthful content...look at New York City, or San Francisco, or Dallas, Texas from a distance and the evidence is clear.

It's a complex issue...fossil fuels, a dozen or more formulations required by the federal government, the price of raw materials which is out of the hands of the oil companies, and the inability for these companies to reduce this price by doing what they could certainly do, and in environmentally friendly ways--increase refining capacity and drilling for our own oil...

But an alternative, especially a unique and phenomenal alternative such as the devices you've described, would seem to be something we'd want to develop wholeheartedly.

Yet, such an alternative is a threat to the economic basis...of the world.

In my own idealistic throught processes, I think, "Why should that be? Why cannot this technology be developed and phased in, over a long period of time (necessarily), and oil companies, and all the associated industries phase in a new technology...become a new industry...replacing the old one with something better? Certainly they could find a way to make a profit with a new technology?"

Human nature is to take such a statement and laugh at it. Probably because it involves changing the status-quo, being adventurous, and courageous.

Other aspects of ecomnomy are similarly affected by this suppressive, and quite frankly often criminally suppressive paradigm.

The medical industry comes to mind...drug companies and their ties to modern medical practices make hefty profits on treatments that often don't treat anything. The facts are suppressed by the corporate structure in order to support the economic machine.

Herbalists, some with decades of of successful clinical experience treating major maladies have been shut down, because their products and treatments cannot be patented, as they are completely naturally occurring substances, not synthesized chemical compounds. The government beurocracy will suppress these things, effective therapies, because they will compete, and succeed against the drug company's concoctions.

Drug companies pay hundreds of millions to the government to get their medications approved, and then they make billions on these things...many which are not cures at all, but suppress symptoms which ultimately lead to future degenerative conditions. In other words, they defeat the body's own ability to heal. Doctors of course make a goodly amount by using these drugs.

Thus, effective naturally occurring substances are suppressed, to the point that one cannot even label them as being effective against any condition, and herbalists, and other natural healers cannot treat people or make claims that they can heal anyone...despite the fact that there is documented proof that they can, and have done just that...before they were shut down.

If people actually were permitted to know the facts, and embraced something like these things (well, I mean the majority of people, not the relative minority who do know about them, and utilize them to great effect--despite the mandatory government warnings placed on the bottles and containers), what would happen to the medical machine?

The same thing that would happen to the energy machine, should these devices actually be developed and placed into the public domain.

The pattern repeats over and over again, and thus we see these remarkable machines, in existance for decades, renedered virtually unknown by the general public.

They're a threat to the status quo...the economic machine.

I don't really have any questions about the Ecklin and Gray motors. I would only question why they're not being developed and used...but I think maybe I've answered that question already, as sad as that may seem.

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Mid, that seems to be exactly the problem. It has been stated by an acquaintance who works for the R&D of a large oil company that those people have the methods to reduce or remove dependence on oil, but won't until it is virtually gone.

Another problem is that we have all our physics "laws", which are quoted to death. While the standard is to claim physics is constantly changing, at the same time such things as Ecklin and Gray are dismissed because of those "laws", and no opportunity to check the theses behind them is given.

Having accumulated, over the years, a relatively complete machine shop and electronics lab, I've checked them out, along with other things similar. They do work.

I gave up on Ecklin to follow researches on the Gray motor. Actually, I didn't follow Gray's concept (I started this before I knew of Gray), I developed a motor similar to a switched reluctance motor, which is in constant usage now. My concept was a modified SR that used the rebound of flux, similar to Gray's machine.

Anyone who wants to check out SR motors, Texas Instruments has papers on those devices and the drives for them under their F243 DSP use library.

If the drive is modified such that current is shut off at or prior to reaching peak current, rebound will return all power input save copper losses and flux losses, amounting to more than 64%, as shown in my testing. That was the worst case number, several other versions recovered up to 88%. Some revision of the base SR motor is required to avoid field interference. What this means is that, depending on the conversion efficiency of the mechanics, if 100 watts is delivered to the armatures, worst case 64W is recovered, plus the mechanical power delivered. According to the motor industry, that can be as high as 95%. Simplistically, 100w in is equivalent to 95W mechanical power out + 64W electrical power out, or 100w gives 159W out.

Yes there are arguments that this is impossible. Keep in mind, however, that the H field does NOT just go away after doing its work: it MUST deteriorate, and in doing so, it converts back into electrical power, which CAN be recovered.

Gray was shut down by SEC when trying to sell his invention to Japanese.

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