the UK pays €15bn per year to the EU, of which we receive, in one form or another, €9bn back, which means it costs the UK taxpayer €6bn to remain in the EU, and if margaret thatcher hadn't negotgiated the 'british correction' it would cost another €4bn more, money that the NHS and education system could more than do with, so it's not really what you'd call an economic benefit to our economy.
i'm neither pro, nor anti EU, as it doesn't particularly impact the way I live my life to a great degree whether we're in it or not, i'm merely reporting facts.
Of course, your analysis misses the point that direct taxes and costs into and out of the EU doesn't account for the net benefit to the UK economy from integration into the common market - which is far more than €4billion.
The decline of British Industry and the loss of Empire are more than slightly coincident, with India gaining independence as late as 1947 and other countries afterwards. The first application to join the EEC was in 1963 so there had been about 10years of decline before Macmillan panicked and decided to petition for membership.
Cabinet papers show that Harold MacMillan applied to join the EEC because he could see that the British were falling behind in economic growth;
Edward Heath gave the reason for joining the EEC as;
"But from the point of view of our everyday lives we will find there is a great cross-fertilisation of knowledge and information, not only in business but in every other sphere.
"And this will enable us to be more efficient and more competitive in gaining more markets not only in Europe but in the rest of the world."
DeGaul, rather wisely as it turns out, realized that the UK was only in it for selfish reasons and vetoed their application;
He said London showed a "lack of interest" in the Common Market and would require a "radical transformation" before joining the EEC.
"The present Common Market is incompatible with the economy, as it now stands, of Britain," he said.
He went on to list a number of aspects of Britain's economy, from working practices to agriculture, which he said made Britain incompatible with Europe.
So all this talk of the UK doing just fine outside of the EEC is shown to be utter bull**** when the real situation at the time is looked at. I doubt they would have done any better in the intervening years if they had have remained outside. Rosy Glasses and fogged hindsight is all the Euroskeptic have to offer.
Edited by Br Cornelius, 23 February 2013 - 10:06 PM.