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The United Nations Wants Your Guns America

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#121    preacherman76

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:16 PM

View Postninjadude, on 18 July 2012 - 05:28 PM, said:

works for me

Really? One thing that seriously disturbs me is how quick we are to put non violent people in cages as though they were animals. To do that cause someone doesnt have the same opinion as you, to me, makes you among the lowest forms of life on this planet. To be so criminaly abusive to another human, just cause they wont conform to the way you think is right up there with the minds of the most evil among us.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:22 PM

I own 3 guns an would not mind giving them up don't use them much anyways, I don't need them to protect myself or my home take up a defensive fighting class or something you don't need to shoot somebody itl probably piss off his homies anyways

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:48 PM

View PostTx-Perkyness, on 18 July 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

I own 3 guns an would not mind giving them up don't use them much anyways, I don't need them to protect myself or my home take up a defensive fighting class or something you don't need to shoot somebody itl probably piss off his homies anyways

An armed person will kill an unarmed person with monotonous regularity. What martial arts style teaches defense against bullets, exactly?


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Posted 18 July 2012 - 10:52 PM

I know this is off topic but since preacherman had the courtesy to provide the link, I would like to respond

I took the time to read up on it as I had never heard of this. The man in question wrote a bigoted anti-gay letter to a newspaper in 2002 which resulted in a gay teenager being assaulted. He was charged with a violation of Alberta's Human Rights Act. He was convicted and fined in 2008 and that was overturned on appeal 2009-10.

There is no mention anywhere of him spending anytime in jail. I have to agree with Czero, this was a single incident and not a widespread problem like you are inferring.

View Postrashore, on 18 July 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

lol, not that some pastor saying something in Canada about gay folks has much to do with the UN's 2012 arms trade discussion. It is kind of interesting how little discussion about the UN talks there is in this thread considering that's what the title of the thread is.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 02:00 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 18 July 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

Really? One thing that seriously disturbs me is how quick we are to put non violent people in cages as though they were animals.

I'm really sorry. I was yanking your chain and should have put a smiley after my comment.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 02:06 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 17 July 2012 - 12:06 PM, said:

It doesnt say anything for the state of my living conditions. Nor does it for the state of anyone  I know. Though I would have less free meat in the ice box.
Yes it does, if you need a gun because you need to defend yourself that bad, it really does.

View Postpreacherman76, on 17 July 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

No one is going to invade us cause thier country would be ashes within one hour.

Nobody will invade you because China OWNS you. Nobody messes with someone like China.

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 17 July 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

I know  but I am referring that the size of the country does not matter
It's not the size it's the location.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:17 AM

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp


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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:14 PM

View PostZaraKitty, on 19 July 2012 - 02:06 AM, said:

Yes it does, if you need a gun because you need to defend yourself that bad, it really does.


I defend my right to own a gun. I have never had to point a gun at anyone ever.


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Nobody will invade you because China OWNS you. Nobody messes with someone like China.

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Right. Im sure invading countries would be far more worried about our banking ties with China then the several hundred thousand nuclear war heads with full means to deliver them we posess. :rolleyes:

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 12:48 PM

View PostDaughter of the Nine Moons, on 18 July 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

I know this is off topic but since preacherman had the courtesy to provide the link, I would like to respond

I took the time to read up on it as I had never heard of this. The man in question wrote a bigoted anti-gay letter to a newspaper in 2002 which resulted in a gay teenager being assaulted. He was charged with a violation of Alberta's Human Rights Act. He was convicted and fined in 2008 and that was overturned on appeal 2009-10.


His letter did not result in a assault on anyone. He would have had to call for violence for that to happen. He didnt even come close to doing that. This ruined him financialy as well.

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There is no mention anywhere of him spending anytime in jail. I have to agree with Czero, this was a single incident and not a widespread problem like you are inferring.



Well said rashore....back on topic

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I heard a interview from him back when this happened. When he was arrested, he was put in a cell. So basicaly this man was put in a cell, bankrupt having to provide his own defense, for a thought crime where he simply expressed his biblical view on homosexuality. A view that did not include, or could even be construde as calling for violence.

Make no mistake, this would be the norm if it wasnt for public backlash. The laws are still in place. They may not be at the moment enforced. But you can be arrested in Canada for speaking out again homosexuality.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:04 PM

because speaking out against homosexuality is considered a hate crime. and that is why you can go to jail for it.
(some) christians need to learn to mind their own business where bed partners are concerned.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:43 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 19 July 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

I heard a interview from him back when this happened. When he was arrested, he was put in a cell. So basicaly this man was put in a cell, bankrupt having to provide his own defense, for a thought crime where he simply expressed his biblical view on homosexuality. A view that did not include, or could even be construde as calling for violence.

Perhaps you can find and post a source that confirms he was actually "put in a cell" as you claim.

But I must tell you that I've been searching for a few hours now and have so far found nothing... no evidence whatsoever that supports that claim.

I've read through blogs and news articles from 2002 when his the letter was published, blogs and news articles from 2007 - 2010, some of which have included interviews with Boissoin where he says nothing about being "put in a cell", nothing about being "arrested", nothing about dealing with the police at all in any way.

Or you could just retract the whole "put in a cage / cell" part of your claim and admit that it was just there to sensationalize your position.

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Make no mistake, this would be the norm if it wasnt for public backlash. The laws are still in place. They may not be at the moment enforced. But you can be arrested in Canada for speaking out again homosexuality.

There are many laws that are in place that are not enforced. Shall we start looking at some of the ones the US has?

The bottom line here is that you're taking one, singular incident that highlighted a breakdown of the Human Rights Commission of ONE PROVINCE, sensationalizing it by making up and adding the whole "put in a cage / cell" aspect, then purposely putting it out of context in order to make it seem like this is a systemic problem running rampant throughout all of Canada.

Are you sure you want to continue down this path you've started down....?





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Edited by Czero 101, 19 July 2012 - 07:44 PM.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:36 PM

So seems a thread about a small issue that has been massively blown out of proportion has been derailed by a small issue that has been massively blown out of proportion.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:30 AM

View PostCorp, on 19 July 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

So seems a thread about a small issue that has been massively blown out of proportion has been derailed by a small issue that has been massively blown out of proportion.

That's what happens when you give fright wingers a keyboard. That and a long list of repetitive, fallacious arguments pushed through the paranoia-fueled conspiracy theory echo chambers financed by the ridiculously few people who actually benefit from who is in the White House.

Edited by Framling, 20 July 2012 - 03:31 AM.


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Posted 20 July 2012 - 05:15 AM

imo guns don't shoot and kill people, people shoot and kill people.

and cops shoot and kill people
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 05:19 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 19 July 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

I defend my right to own a gun. I have never had to point a gun at anyone ever.





Right. Im sure invading countries would be far more worried about our banking ties with China then the several hundred thousand nuclear war heads with full means to deliver them we posess. :rolleyes:
America "Hey China, can we afford (x)?"
Chine "No, keep paying us back or we'll take you over."
America "Kay

You government is under china for the moment, they get first picks on invading you if they choose.

Then why do you need a gun?

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