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Yamato, on 10 June 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

I think killing thousands of Palestinians and imprisoning thousands of Palestinian youth is equally as disgusting as killing thousands of Syrians and imprisoning thousands of Syrian youth.  Yes I'm making that comparison.

I think Russia should have some egg on its face for this. The consistency probably seems amazing, yea.

Nope.... it's just bias on your part. These Syrians are/were peacefully protesting for change.  They aren't asking for land or anything else except a different government and Assad is BUTCHERING them using Russian weapons.  That is NOT the same as the conflict between Arab and Jew in Palestine.  Those thousands of dead "Palestinians" had the misfortune to be used as human shields by their own brethren or were shooting back at the time they died.  Sell it somewhere else.  Those "imprisoned youth" chose a government intentionally that was AT WAR with Israel.  You pays your money and you takes your chances.

[Yamato]

and then, on 10 June 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

Nope.... it's just bias on your part. These Syrians are/were peacefully protesting for change.  They aren't asking for land or anything else except a different government and Assad is BUTCHERING them using Russian weapons.  That is NOT the same as the conflict between Arab and Jew in Palestine.  Those thousands of dead "Palestinians" had the misfortune to be used as human shields by their own brethren or were shooting back at the time they died.  Sell it somewhere else.  Those "imprisoned youth" chose a government intentionally that was AT WAR with Israel.  You pays your money and you takes your chances.

Everyone's a bloody human shield when you're attacking people in their own homes and neighborhoods.  That's what the battlefield is over there; bombing children right where they live, in their own homes, schools, hospitals, police stations, government buildings.   That old media nonsense about "human shields" goes both ways and I'm not going to give IDF "human shields" any convenient ignorance, but I'm also not going to let that sound byte deter me from the principle that applies to Syrians and Palestinians both.   Thousands of kids need to get out of Israel's dungeons the same way I'm sure Syrians are being unjustly and violently held.  And some bureaucratic rhetoric on a charter doesn't supercede human rights, and what Israel is doing to the West Bank is too revolting for Hamas to need anything to do with it.

[Yamato]

Here's a great rally song 'Voice of the Voiceless' for Syrian and Palestinian and all of the oppressed:

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Yamato, on 10 June 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

Everyone's a bloody human shield when you're attacking people in their own homes and neighborhoods.  That's what the battlefield is over there; bombing children right where they live, in their own homes, schools, hospitals, police stations, government buildings.   That old media nonsense about "human shields" goes both ways and I'm not going to give IDF "human shields" any convenient ignorance, but I'm also not going to let that sound byte deter me from the principle that applies to Syrians and Palestinians both.   Thousands of kids need to get out of Israel's dungeons the same way I'm sure Syrians are being unjustly and violently held.  And some bureaucratic rhetoric on a charter doesn't supercede human rights, and what Israel is doing to the West Bank is too revolting for Hamas to need anything to do with it.

And those bombs fall only AFTER hundreds or even thousands of rockets have already fallen on Israelis.  The "Palestinians" aren't victims they're perpetrators. And even if what you said were true the original point here was comparing the use of Russian weapons for slaughtering Syrians with Israelis using American weapons to FIGHT against a force coming against them.  There is no comparison except the one you torture into existence for the purpose of more Pali propaganda.  I can guarantee you that if Israel were to commit such an atrocity as Houla the entire WORLD would go insane against them overnight.  Sanctions, demonstrations, riots and armed incursions by everyone in the neighborhood.  It's a huge double standard.  But if Arab slaughters Arab using Russian weapons it somehow is still a sin Israel is guilty of as well.  What a load of nonsense that is.

[Knight Of Shadows]

and the usa will veto anything that the whole world will try to pull of against israel
i can see how yamato think of the situation it has something samiliar

and then .. israel did worse when they first came to palestine
they did ethnic cleansing which the number of palestinans was far far larger than numbers of isralies
but do to ethnic cleaning and the destruction of a whole villages over the head  of their citiazans
and the forced evacuation of palestinians which dropped palestinains population to this level
and i think if israel is fighting for it's existance like the case over here is .. they'd do far alot worse
they previously threatened to use nuclear weapons back when the arab army nearly beat them " when the usa forced ceasefire "
and using nuclear would kill alot alot of innocents .. without actually stopping the advancing armies

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Knight Of Shadows, on 10 June 2012 - 01:09 PM, said:

and the usa will veto anything that the whole world will try to pull of against israel
i can see how yamato think of the situation it has something samiliar

and then .. israel did worse when they first came to palestine
they did ethnic cleansing which the number of palestinans was far far larger than numbers of isralies
but do to ethnic cleaning and the destruction of a whole villages over the head  of their citiazans
and the forced evacuation of palestinians which dropped palestinains population to this level
and i think if israel is fighting for it's existance like the case over here is .. they'd do far alot worse
they previously threatened to use nuclear weapons back when the arab army nearly beat them " when the usa forced ceasefire "
and using nuclear would kill alot alot of innocents .. without actually stopping the advancing armies

History doesn't say the same thing KoS.  Those people left because the Arabs told them to.  Told them to leave for their own safety while the Arab armies destroyed the Jews and they could come back in a few days.  The ones who refused to go are now citizens in Israel and are freer than any other Arabs anywhere.  And yes, US along with Russia did force a cease fire so that Israel wouldn't nuke the Arab armies.  You act like Israel should be ashamed for trying to survive, KoS.  NOBODY should have to be ashamed for trying to survive.
Do you think that what Israel does with US weapons is as bad as what the Syrians are doing with Russian weapons?

[Knight Of Shadows]

define " history "
is it the history written by israel ?
you DO know that we both have very different versions of history ?
a hypocritial western version which divides to more than one which is less hypocitical " which admits some facts "
and compeletly hypocritical one ?

however we have our own history luckily we don't take our history from the west
attempts to erase history are met with failure
biggest example is the topic this one .. this is part of our erased history since 40 years
and how come i know of it ? because just because it was erased from our teaching course in schools
doesn't mean it's erased from our heads

however the case seem very different in western history it seems like it was erased from books and heads
do you know the west does not admit that cannaites are arabs ? babylons are arabs ?
try proving that using your history .. if such things which we consider " normal facts "
as people who inherted from grandfathers of grandfathers
if such simple things are erased then how are we to rely on that history to tell us facts ?
now that history out of the way

there has been many books regarding ethnic cleansing of palestinians by israel
just type ethnic cleaning in google and find the books which offer evidence
and maps of those villages who don't exist now .. even pics

now israel is not doing the same as with russians weapons
but israel did it before when they first came to palestine
time has changed now though there is media unlike before .. so if israel were to do such thing
is to expect a whole arabic outcry against it .. if not war

as to israel should be ashamed of surviving ?
can you also say that our current gov should NOT be ashamed of trying to survive ?
and tell me the diffence as if they should be ashamed why ?
and with so much samiliarties to israel's past action then it outta be ashamed too
however if you think they should not be ashamed then we have moral issue at hand not political view

[The New Richard Nixon]

Are you going to take pictures?

[Knight Of Shadows]

of what ?

[The New Richard Nixon]

The things happening in Damascus?

[Knight Of Shadows]

i can't it's too much risk to take .. being a smart mouth is one thing
and being activist is a whole another thing with a whole another result
that may not result in good to me sorry

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Knight Of Shadows, on 10 June 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

define " history "
is it the history written by israel ?
you DO know that we both have very different versions of history ?
a hypocritial western version which divides to more than one which is less hypocitical " which admits some facts "
and compeletly hypocritical one ?

however we have our own history luckily we don't take our history from the west
attempts to erase history are met with failure
biggest example is the topic this one .. this is part of our erased history since 40 years
and how come i know of it ? because just because it was erased from our teaching course in schools
doesn't mean it's erased from our heads

however the case seem very different in western history it seems like it was erased from books and heads
do you know the west does not admit that cannaites are arabs ? babylons are arabs ?
try proving that using your history .. if such things which we consider " normal facts "
as people who inherted from grandfathers of grandfathers
if such simple things are erased then how are we to rely on that history to tell us facts ?
now that history out of the way

there has been many books regarding ethnic cleansing of palestinians by israel
just type ethnic cleaning in google and find the books which offer evidence
and maps of those villages who don't exist now .. even pics

now israel is not doing the same as with russians weapons
but israel did it before when they first came to palestine
time has changed now though there is media unlike before .. so if israel were to do such thing
is to expect a whole arabic outcry against it .. if not war

as to israel should be ashamed of surviving ?
can you also say that our current gov should NOT be ashamed of trying to survive ?
and tell me the diffence as if they should be ashamed why ?
and with so much samiliarties to israel's past action then it outta be ashamed too
however if you think they should not be ashamed then we have moral issue at hand not political view

Just because you lie to your own children doesn't make it true for everyone.  I was alive and remember watching the '73 Yom Kippur war.  I remember Nixon putting our nuclear forces on alert and the Russians doing the same.  So don't tell me that crap and expect me to believe it. You seem very proud of the fact that Israel nearly lost to Egypt and Syria all at the same time.  Nothing like a fair fight huh?  And they still got their a$$ kicked   real manly men they were.....the US resupplied Israel.  That's all.  We didn't fire a shot.

[Yamato]

and then, on 10 June 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

And those bombs fall only AFTER hundreds or even thousands of rockets have already fallen on Israelis.  The "Palestinians" aren't victims they're perpetrators. And even if what you said were true the original point here was comparing the use of Russian weapons for slaughtering Syrians with Israelis using American weapons to FIGHT against a force coming against them.  There is no comparison except the one you torture into existence for the purpose of more Pali propaganda.  I can guarantee you that if Israel were to commit such an atrocity as Houla the entire WORLD would go insane against them overnight.  Sanctions, demonstrations, riots and armed incursions by everyone in the neighborhood.  It's a huge double standard.  But if Arab slaughters Arab using Russian weapons it somehow is still a sin Israel is guilty of as well.  What a load of nonsense that is.

Except I don't watch Pali propaganda so the similarities are incidental.  The media treatment of this issue is stacked 1000:1 against anything coming out of Palestine and you're still making an issue out of the 1, even when you're discussing something with me and it's completely irrelevant.

If a government is under attack by those it's oppressing as is the case in Palestine and Syria both, self defense is admirable and I condone the oppressed to fight against their oppressors, everywhere and all ways.   I don't condone small details like words in a charter, some bureaucrat's rhetoric, or targets, tools, and tactics.   I don't believe in any statist blather that tries to tell me that any government has the right to become terrorist ethnic-cleansers, murderous child-butchers or hypocritical criminal-bigots among other things, without deserving punishment.

[Knight Of Shadows]

hahahah egypt and syria ? against israel ? ohh wait .. you mean ALL of europe and usa along side with israel
against syria and egypt .. yep damn proud of it !!!
we lost with dingity .. and didn't scream like a damsel in distress for the usa to force ceasefire

it only adds up to the fact that with age wisdom does not come
if you buy in your history crap then go ahead no one is stopping you
lie to your children too and tell them cannites are not arabs babylons are not arabs
actually arabs are made up race
without arabs .. your beloved israel would not exist .. coz they too are cousins of arabs
i think i need to translate and post books here to educate you

your history that expose how grateful the west is to the knowledge we gave to them
is that the history you talk about ?edit : ohh wait .. i forgot they never admitted that lol

Edited by Knight Of Shadows, 10 June 2012 - 02:54 PM.

[Yamato]

and then, on 10 June 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:

History doesn't say the same thing KoS.  Those people left because the Arabs told them to.  Told them to leave for their own safety while the Arab armies destroyed the Jews and they could come back in a few days.  The ones who refused to go are now citizens in Israel and are freer than any other Arabs anywhere.  And yes, US along with Russia did force a cease fire so that Israel wouldn't nuke the Arab armies.  You act like Israel should be ashamed for trying to survive, KoS.  NOBODY should have to be ashamed for trying to survive.
Do you think that what Israel does with US weapons is as bad as what the Syrians are doing with Russian weapons?

Even the US encyclopedia explains why they left and it sure as hell isn't because "the Arabs told them to."