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MysticStrummer, on 08 November 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

No that will officially happen when Jesse Ventura runs for president in four years. There are people already hoping for this. I shudder to imagine it.

Really?  Who?

[Socio]

Clyde the Glyde, on 07 November 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

2 things.

Blacks, latinos, and other minorities will always vote for the democrat.  ( And it will continue since their numbers are increasing )

Since there are now more takers than makers, they will vote democrat  aswell. ( And it will continue since their numbers are increasing )

I heard a somber Ann Coulter in an interview this morning, she put it the same way, as a result of this election America has reached a tipping point "the takers now out number the makers", conservatism is done in this country.

She may very well be right, as bad as it is now, as bad as Obama has been, with absolutely no record to stand on and still blew out a Republican it will probably will never matter who the Right runs any more.

We may have just witnessed the burgeoning of a one party system at least for the foreseeable future. And we are no longer a republic we have been successfully transformed in to something else ruled by a mob of leeching jackals and their enablers.

[MissMelsWell]

Oh good grief, you're SO wrong.

Had there been a MODERATE republican whose peers weren't spouting crap about rape babies being gifts from God, and thumping the bible and ignoring or outright dissing on the middle class, I might have voted republican. But, since they insisted on being so obtuse the last 12 or so years, I won't touch them. Bring the republicans back to talking about REAL issues like the economy, offering REAL detailed solutions about fixing the economy, talking about REAL and obtainable programs and I'l listen and maybe even vote for one but not until then. It wouldn't hurt them to talk about how they're going to get the entire congress and senate working together too instead of polarizing EVERYTHING. I'm done with polarization, I'm looking for TEAM WORK.

[FurthurBB]

HuttonEtAl, on 07 November 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

What did we learn during this election?

1.) The biggest point for me is the Tea Party. Republicans, the Tea Party is killing you. Distance yourself from them. I gained a lot of respect for the American people and a bit for the Republican Party as a whole for not electing/re-electing these morons. The worse thing they did was open their mouths. If you are a Tea Partier, please…keep talking in public…

The Tea Party crushed Republican hopes. Republicans thought they would do great in the Senate races but did horrible.

Akin lost horribly to a beatable candidate after his “legitimate rape” comments.

Richard Mourdock was defeated badly after his “all pregnancies are a gift from God” statement.

In Mass, Warren pounded the incumbent Brown after his campaign of personal attacks.

In the House…

Allen West appears to have lost his seat in Florida.

Michele Bachmann nearly lost her seat in the House, winning by less than 4,000 votes or 51% AND this is after making a run for President. (Edit:Putting this on hold for now. It is now 50-50 with Graves leading Bachmann.)

2.) 6 Billion dollars spent on this election and the results were nearly the same as they were 4 years ago…

3.) Saving the auto industry made a difference. Many do not agree with it, but those that were working in it and lived in the areas where the economy was affected would disagree. The auto industry gave Obama Ohio.

4.) Republicans need to take a different approach. This was their last shot. With the economy in the shape it is in, a high unemployment rate, and a soaring national debt, it was their election to win. Times are changing. They need to start catering more to gays, women, and minorities. They need to come back to the center and start working with the Dems.

5.) Fox News is always wrong

But please, please, please, for the sake of America, get along and get things done. Obama is the President for another 4 years and cannot run again. The war is over. Work together and get things done so we can progress into the future.

You included one of the big things, that is the republicans are going to have to change their approach if they want to win because there are not enough of the people they are catering to for a majority.  Another thing I have noticed the last few elections is that polls are more accurate than I thought.  They have been really close to what happened in the last 3 elections.

[FurthurBB]

WoIverine, on 07 November 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

They voted No on proposition 37. No on GMO labeling. It's funny, Cali is supposedly a predominantly "green agenda" state. People like that are voting!  As a nation, we are in serious trouble.

There was no idiocy behind that decision.  California has a large and thriving organic farming industry, GMO labeling would be detrimental to a lot of those farms.  Money unsurprisingly beat out the agenda, like it could any place on earth.

[FurthurBB]

HuttonEtAl, on 07 November 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

I see prop 37 as rather moot. I do not see what it does...So what if something is genetically engineered? Does that some how make it bad? Genetically engineered is the same as genetically selected for, right?

Brassica, or wild mustard, has had traits selected to make cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, brussel sprots, turnips, rutabaga, kale, and more...

They selected specific genetic traits to make many different types of food...we consider all perfectly fine and natural...

I cannot say that it is the same.  What I want to know is what mechanism is being proposed that makes it different in any way.  Because really humans have been practicing selection of genes for as long as we have been agricultural.

[acidhead]

MissMelsWell, on 08 November 2012 - 01:33 AM, said:

Oh good grief, you're SO wrong.

Had there been a MODERATE republican whose peers weren't spouting crap about rape babies being gifts from God, and thumping the bible and ignoring or outright dissing on the middle class, I might have voted republican. But, since they insisted on being so obtuse the last 12 or so years, I won't touch them. Bring the republicans back to talking about REAL issues like the economy, offering REAL detailed solutions about fixing the economy, talking about REAL and obtainable programs and I'l listen and maybe even vote for one but not until then. It wouldn't hurt them to talk about how they're going to get the entire congress and senate working together too instead of polarizing EVERYTHING. I'm done with polarization, I'm looking for TEAM WORK.

The politician you just described who you'd vote for was Ron Paul.

Edited by acidhead, 08 November 2012 - 03:34 AM.

[MissMelsWell]

acidhead, on 08 November 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

The politician you just described who you'd vote for was Ron Paul.

Yes, except that I have some problems with Libretarians that are so glaring I can't vote for them in good faith. It's unfortunate to be honest. Because I do like a lot of what they'd like to offer.

[The Unseen]

What we learned? We learned that it doesn't matter who gets elected we still LOSE.

[Michelle]

MissMelsWell, on 08 November 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Yes, except that I have some problems with Libretarians that are so glaring I can't vote for them in good faith. It's unfortunate to be honest. Because I do like a lot of what they'd like to offer.

You can't please all the people all of the time.

I doubt if anyone goes along with everything in any political parties platform. People aren't that cookiecutter.

[CommunitarianKevin]

preacherman76, on 07 November 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

Lets set aside for a second wether or not free market capitalism would be better for the country. Hut they dont align with what you believe at all. You are being played for a fool. These people just tell you what you want to hear then go on and do often times do exactly the oposite, if they do anything to address said issue at all. If you want a government that has any chance what so ever of actualy regulating the market, honestly making a level playing field, then every last Dem and Rep thats been elected (aside from a very small handful, and even them im not sure about) has to go. They are owned by the very corperations you speak of here. You cant take a single step tward freedom till you get that.

You didnt win anything today. You only stepped further into the illusion.

So what shall I do? Not vote? Who promotes my beliefs?

RavenHawk, on 07 November 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

By blindsiding the Republicans that were focused on the economy, creating and hitting the weak points on the Republican platform.  Like I said right out of Alinski.  When the headache wears off, they will see that women's or gay Rights will do nothing to improve the economy.  And as enslaved prostitutes, will find no way out.


According to the MSM.  The two are just as bad.  But if you're going to bring up Sandy, isn't it interesting that where the MSM hammered Bush on Katrina, there is hardly a word on Sandy.  Obama did the very same things as Bush.  The failures of the government were the same.  But it's Bush's fault.  Sandy allowed the MSM to paint Obama like a saint.  Obama rushed to NJ with Chris Christi for a photo op and then onto TheView.  Wake up sheeple!


Yes we have and you still haven't caught on.  Liberals are members of the American Socialist Party.  The Democratic Party no longer exists.  Just come clean and be honest about it.  I'm an anarchist?  Really?  I thought I've been clear enough that I am a Constitutionalist.  I guess in a Socialistic society, that does make me an anarchist – so never mind, I stand corrected.

Sorry, I do not think I am familiar with MSM or at least that acronym

Oddly enough there was the Socialist Party listed on the ballot. I suppose someone should tell them that party already exists? And since you consider yourself a Constitutionalist, shall I assume you voted for Goode, the presidential canidate for the Constitution Party? Or did you do like everyone else and just vote Dem or Repub even though they may not match many or most of your views? Are you a hypocrite, or were you one of the 2% of people that actually voted for the party they believe in? If you did actually vote for that party, much respect to ya.

-Mr_Fess-, on 07 November 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

And doesn't your side fight to make it an issue also? If they were keeping it out of government they should take my stance and say its not their business to get involved.

No, my side does not have an issue with the government stepping in and correcting oppression and injustice. It happened for slavery, women's rights, American Indian rights, the right for inter-racial marriage, and now gay marriage. I believe it is the government's job to enforce the rights granted in the Constitution. We are not the ones saying government should not be involved.

-Mr_Fess-, on 07 November 2012 - 08:40 PM, said:

What have I learned though...
As my first real run being heavily interested and concerned with politics for an entire four years of one president I have learned that it really take an emotional and mentally stressful toll on me. A question for you older folks well into middle age who have sustained a passion for politics... How the hell do you do it? I'm really not sure ATM that I have it in me to be so passionate for another four years. This was a massive blow and it don't feel good. I ask you because apparently you've been through the ropes with multiple ups and downs.
I have learned that as a resident of Pennsylvania so long as I don't vote blue my presidential vote absolutely will not count. That's kind of off-putting.
I have learned that polls are right and polls are wrong and none can be taken as gospel until Election Day.
I have learned that pundits don't know squat. They just have the gift of gab. While they may present facts at times, opinions are what they are.
I have learned that folks like preacherman are likely absolutely correct. Thanks in much part to him along with many others here on UM and a little bit of Glenn Beck I have learned that I am most certainly more aligned with libertarianism. In 2008 and even in '10 I was still a rookie at all this and thought that I was a Republican. Nearly all my votes, any available, this time were libertarian except Romney because I was more concerned with ridding Obama than believing in Romney. Mitt never was my first choice but in the end I felt he was my only choice. That doesn't mean I thought he was completely a bad choice though. Also, there were two unchallenged dems on my ticket and I voted no choice. I certainly will never vote D under any circumstance. Most of our views are just far too contradictory.
I have learned that America is split at the 50 yard line and all this election hoopla was for nothing. The dems lost several million votes since 2008, the repubs stayed around the same. While they pulled off a a win they failed to show any gain in support but neither did repubs. Mostly though, we are as divided as ever and heading for certain disaster. The only hope I had for Romney and maybe mixing up congress a little was that at least with new players there might've been a possibility for something good or different. Now it's the same and I still think we are heading for a brick wall at 90mph.
I have learned other things I'm sure but that's all I got for now.

Yes, it is rough...sometimes you just need a break from it...it can be overwhelming. We may not have the perfect system, but it is one of the better ones in the world...

Edited by HuttonEtAl, 08 November 2012 - 05:25 AM.

[ninjadude]

-Mr_Fess-, on 08 November 2012 - 12:13 AM, said:

First, eliminate foreign aid to enemy territories like Pakistan. Second, enact real policy that says that if you want our foreign aid money you must agree to be obligated to pay it back

Exactly how much foreign aid do you think we do? I'll wait. The answer is very little. It's hardly worth talking about.

[ninjadude]

Socio, on 08 November 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

with absolutely no record to stand on

We've proven over and over again this is just a blatant falsehood. Kind of like thinking the polls were wrong, Romney was going to win, etc.

[MiskatonicGrad]

ninjadude, on 08 November 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

Exactly how much foreign aid do you think we do? I'll wait. The answer is very little. It's hardly worth talking about.

Damn ninjadude I wish I had your deep pockets if you think 50+billion dollars is hardly worth talking about you must have some jack. But I guess when you have a 16 trillion debt hanging over your head I can see your point.

[Michelle]

ninjadude, on 08 November 2012 - 05:25 AM, said:

Exactly how much foreign aid do you think we do? I'll wait. The answer is very little. It's hardly worth talking about.

But, did you know that about two thirds of our foreign aid is military which falls under military expenditures?