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#106    TheMcGuffin

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:05 PM

View PostHazzard, on 18 June 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

I dont know about the rest of you, but this sure reminds me of some of the UFOs we keep hearing about.

Do they also carry transponders and reply to IFF signals, because these UFOs in July 1957 did.

Edited by TheMcGuffin, 18 June 2012 - 10:14 PM.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:14 PM

Here's some more homework.  What is the longest duration plasma on record?  I mean one observed under real scientific conditions?

Which plasma has lasted the longest that we know of, and how long did it last?

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:40 PM

View PostTheMcGuffin, on 18 June 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

Here's some more homework.  What is the longest duration plasma on record?  I mean one observed under real scientific conditions?

Which plasma has lasted the longest that we know of, and how long did it last?



What about min min or marfa type phenomena? It has had quite long durations and followed people for long period, and is generally caused by a temperature inversion, which could perhaps cause a signal amplification and return?



Similarly, very-high frequency (above ca. 90 MHz) radio waves (being part of the electromagnetic spectrum, like light) can be refracted by such inversions. This is why it is possible to sometimes hear FM radio (or watch VHF-LO band TV) broadcasts from otherwise impossible distances as far as a few hundred miles on foggy nights. The signal, still powerful enough to be received even at hundreds or rarely, thousands, of miles, would normally be refracted up and away from the ground-based antenna, is instead refracted down towards the earth by the temperature-inversion boundary layer. This phenomenon is called tropospheric ducting. It is also referred to as skip by small radio operators and ham radio operators. Along coast lines during Autumn and Spring many FM radio stations are plagued by severe signal degradation causing them to sound like "scrambled eggs".
Inversions can magnify the so called "green flash": a phenomenon occurring at sunrise/sunset, usually visible for a few seconds, in which the sun's green light is isolated due to dispersion - the shorter wavelength is refracted most, so it is the first/last light from the upper rim of the solar disc to be seen.


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"Eighty-four kilometres (70 miles) west of Middleton on the Winton Road are the ruins of the Min Min Hotel, built in the late 1880's and burnt down in the 1920's," says the article.

"Its name has been given to a mysterious light that is seen throughout the western border areas. The first recorded sighting of the Min Min Lights took place at the ruins of the hotel and some locals believe that the lights originated in the nearby graveyard and have a supernatural connection."

Australian writer and poet Christopher Leonard in Outback Australia, the Permanent Frontier, wrote: "It was first reported by a stockman who had passed by the place where the Min Min Hotel had stood before it was destroyed by fire [in 1918].

"From a little graveyard behind the hotel the stockman saw a light rising, which followed him most of the way to Boulia. It might have been dismissed as the ravings of a drunken stockman if thousands of sightings of the Min Min Light had not been reported since."

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That duration was just short of 200 kms.

Edited by psyche101, 18 June 2012 - 10:44 PM.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 10:47 PM

There is also ball lightning. It usually is seen shortly before or after, or during, a thunderstorm. Its duration varies from a few seconds to a few minutes.

The lifetime of ball lightning tends to increase with size and decrease with brightness. Balls that appear distinctly orange and blue seem to last longer than average.

Ball lightning usually moves parallel to the earth, but it takes vertical jumps. Sometimes it descends from the clouds, other times it suddenly materializes either indoors or outdoors or enters a room through a closed or open window, through thin nonmetallic walls or through the chimney.

The term refers to reports of luminous, usually spherical objects which vary from pea-sized to several meters in diameter. It is usually associated with thunderstorms, but lasts considerably longer than the split-second flash of a lightning bolt. Many of the early reports say that the ball eventually explodes, sometimes with fatal consequences, leaving behind the odor of sulfur


Here is more,... http://physicsworld....ls-of-lightning  http://en.wikipedia..../Ball_lightning

Edited by Hazzard, 18 June 2012 - 10:53 PM.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:18 PM

One theory has always been that plasmas are related to the propulsion systems of UFOs.  This is not simply science fiction, either, since serious science is paying attention to the possibility of plasma-propelled spacecraft, especially since plasmas are 99% of all known matter in the universe.

http://www.ae.utexas...ve/2011/ll-raja


Other studies discuss using plasmas for cloaking purposes.

https://docs.google....7BmaAnqaw8XlDmQ

I have been looking for articles on the durations of plasmas commonly found in nature, such as ball lightening, and from what I could find, most last only a few seconds but perhaps as long as three minutes in unusual cases.

Of course, there are many natural plasmas in the atmosphere that last only a fraction of a second, but from what I know, they are very rarely of long duration.

http://amasci.com/tesla/bllinspc.txt

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:23 PM

This leads me to speculate that long-duration plasmas may not be a purely "natural" phenomenon, but perhaps artificially generated in some way, which we also know how to do.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 09:43 AM

View PostTheMcGuffin, on 18 June 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

This leads me to speculate that long-duration plasmas may not be a purely "natural" phenomenon, but perhaps artificially generated in some way, which we also know how to do.

In Hessdalen the Scientists seem confident that at least 95% of all atmospheric anomalies (UFO's) can be explained by the long duration plasmas.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 10:05 AM

Last years interview with Erling Strand by the L, incase anyone missed it.....very interesting.

http://www.unexplain...n.php?id=207536


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 10:15 AM

and this is from April this year

http://www.uapreporting.org/?p=1589

from the link:

9/ In a recent interview, you have stated that “…you have had several daytime observations, where you have seen flying discs, etc…”Even if not related to the HP, could you please provide more details on such sightings? I have had only three daytime observations, so the word “several” is wrong. I have however seen several unexplainable “things”, – such which goes into another category than HP or ufo. Two of those three observations was a flying disc. The third was a “black hole”. I did not get the impression that I was looking onto a black object, it was more like a hole into something completely black. This “black hole” changed size all the time.

interesting that he doesnt place flying discs into the 'ufo' catergory :unsure2:


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:29 AM

View Postquillius, on 19 June 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

and this is from April this year

http://www.uapreporting.org/?p=1589

from the link:

9/ In a recent interview, you have stated that “…you have had several daytime observations, where you have seen flying discs, etc…”Even if not related to the HP, could you please provide more details on such sightings? I have had only three daytime observations, so the word “several” is wrong. I have however seen several unexplainable “things”, – such which goes into another category than HP or ufo. Two of those three observations was a flying disc. The third was a “black hole”. I did not get the impression that I was looking onto a black object, it was more like a hole into something completely black. This “black hole” changed size all the time.

interesting that he doesnt place flying discs into the 'ufo' catergory :unsure2:


How on earth can he do that when it is aerial and unidentified?  :huh:

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:26 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 20 June 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

How on earth can he do that when it is aerial and unidentified?  :huh:
Beats me, however does make it quite an intriguing comment IMO :alien:


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 03:09 PM

View Postlost_shaman, on 19 June 2012 - 09:43 AM, said:

In Hessdalen the Scientists seem confident that at least 95% of all atmospheric anomalies (UFO's) can be explained by the long duration plasmas.

Apart from the ones where 2 tonnes of earth have been surgically dug out and moved a couple of metres; because that happened in Hessdalen :cry:

Other strange phenomenon have been observed by locals in Hessdalen. One such phenomenon seems to be a cross between cattle mutilations and crop circles, except performed on the top layers of peat bogs. This very strange phenomenon was first discovered during the initial study. Hunters were on the trail of Deer in a inaccessible part of the valley when they came across a large section that had been sliced and removed from the bog. The top layer of the bog, approximately half a meter deep 5 meters x 1.5 meters across had been precision cut and shifted 10 meters away, perfectly intact. Seemingly with laser precision had the bog been cut. The slab that had been removed weighed an estimated 2 tons but there was no evidence of human trails or machinery of any kind. The ability to extract and move a single section of bog weighing 2 tons without using machine might suggest advanced technology. It was later discovered that this phenomenon had happened before further north in Norway. Exactly the same sized block of earth had been extracted and deposited meters away with great precision and zero trace of human activity. Not even foot prints were found.

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http://www.highpants...ific-ufo-study/

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 03:15 PM

View Postzoser, on 20 June 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

Apart from the ones where 2 tonnes of earth have been surgically dug out and moved a couple of metres; because that happened in Hessdalen :cry:

Other strange phenomenon have been observed by locals in Hessdalen. One such phenomenon seems to be a cross between cattle mutilations and crop circles, except performed on the top layers of peat bogs. This very strange phenomenon was first discovered during the initial study. Hunters were on the trail of Deer in a inaccessible part of the valley when they came across a large section that had been sliced and removed from the bog. The top layer of the bog, approximately half a meter deep 5 meters x 1.5 meters across had been precision cut and shifted 10 meters away, perfectly intact. Seemingly with laser precision had the bog been cut. The slab that had been removed weighed an estimated 2 tons but there was no evidence of human trails or machinery of any kind. The ability to extract and move a single section of bog weighing 2 tons without using machine might suggest advanced technology. It was later discovered that this phenomenon had happened before further north in Norway. Exactly the same sized block of earth had been extracted and deposited meters away with great precision and zero trace of human activity. Not even foot prints were found.


Im looking for independent verification of these claims made by zoser about Hessdalen,... but cant find any.

Edited by Hazzard, 20 June 2012 - 03:28 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 03:17 PM

View PostHazzard, on 20 June 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

That link doesnt work for me. :unsure2:


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Posted 20 June 2012 - 03:46 PM

View PostHazzard, on 20 June 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Im looking for independent verification of these claims made by zoser about Hessdalen,... but cant find any.

Seek and ye shall find.

http://deathby1000pa...alen-phenomena/

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