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#16    Insaniac

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:37 AM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 20 November 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

The US and coalition forces stop unstable, militant groups having the power to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Warmongers

The US and coalition forces stop unstable, militant groups having the power to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people, only so they can have all that power instead.

Hiroshima, anybody? They don't truly give a damn about protecting other people.

So, yes, the US government/military are Warmongers. Nothing more than a seizure of power.


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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:51 AM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 20 November 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

The US and coalition forces stop unstable, militant groups having the power to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Warmongers
Hang on, you lot are dragging us into this again?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:00 AM

This topic seemed pertinent to the region since everything else seems to be giving Assad cover for his dirty work.  It was not posted up to start an argument.  It appears that most did not even read all the article.  No one has said they are scheduled or mobilized - just that this is the number that would be required IF an intervention is necessary.  And IF such an intervention is necessary and doesn't happen then I imagine that a horrible tragedy will occur somewhere in the US or Europe within the near future.  Not every single event in the world is a conspiracy theory folks.... THIS stuff isn't a car bomb.  THIS stuff can kills thousands at a blow.

Edited by and then, 20 November 2012 - 03:01 AM.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:05 AM

View Postand then, on 20 November 2012 - 03:00 AM, said:

This topic seemed pertinent to the region since everything else seems to be giving Assad cover for his dirty work.  It was not posted up to start an argument.  It appears that most did not even read all the article.  No one has said they are scheduled or mobilized - just that this is the number that would be required IF an intervention is necessary.  And IF such an intervention is necessary and doesn't happen then I imagine that a horrible tragedy will occur somewhere in the US or Europe within the near future.  Not every single event in the world is a conspiracy theory folks.... THIS stuff isn't a car bomb.  THIS stuff can kills thousands at a blow.

Sorry, And Then. Buzzkill replied to something I said and it went downhill from there, if you like. Even though the US government (aswell as my own government) are warmongers.

And I don't think anybody mentioned anything about conspiracies? Unless I'm mistaken.

Take care. I'm sorry if I caused anything to blow out of proportion.


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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:17 AM

Interesting excerpts from the OP article:

Mr. Obama has been clear for more than a year that he would resist direct American intervention, but in August he said one circumstance would cause him to revisit that position. “A red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized,” he said at a news conference. “That would change my calculus.”

Mr. Obama brought those concerns up again in a news conference on Wednesday, saying that the United States was in close contact with Turkey and Jordan “and obviously Israel, which is having already grave concerns as we do about, for example, movements of chemical weapons that might occur in such a chaotic atmosphere and that could have an impact not just within Syria but on the region as a whole.”

The estimation that it would take 75,000 troops to neutralize the chemical weapons grew out of what Mr. Obama, in his August news conference, referred to as extensive contingency planning for how the United States would respond if the chemical weapons were on the move or appeared vulnerable.

“The problem is that you can’t just pick this stuff up and ship it out of the country,” said one senior military official who has studied the problem. The chances of contamination of nearby Syrian towns, and of attacks on the effort to move the weapons, were simply too high. Because many of the containers holding the material are old, or of unknown reliability, the risk of leakage is high.

As a result, the official said, much of the chemical stockpiles might have to be destroyed in place. That is a lengthy, dangerous job, and would require enormous force protection around the sites. When the United States went through similar efforts to destroy its own stockpiles — under strict environmental regulations that would likely not apply in Syria — the process took years.

A second official familiar with the plans disputed the idea that all of the stockpiles would have to be destroyed in place. Some, he suggested, could be airlifted out for destruction elsewhere or burial at sea. “There are several options,” he said, “but all carry varying degrees of risk.”


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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:17 PM

View PostHilander, on 20 November 2012 - 01:20 AM, said:

Something else I am concerned about is Syria's violence seems to be going beyond its borders.  That is causing even more problems with the neighbors.  If it doesn't stop Assad will have to worry about his neighbors attacking him.

All this violence is tearing that country apart.  I wish they could get someone in power that would stand for all the people in that country and write laws that are fair for all.  Keep Muslim law out of it, do what is right for the people.  Then the militants need to be arrested if they persist in their efforts to tear Syria apart.  I guess that scenario would be a fantasy.


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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:26 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 20 November 2012 - 12:15 AM, said:

The US and coalition forces stop unstable, militant groups having the power to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. Warmongers


WHAT?! LMFAO

If that is so then why do they want to put a militant group in power of Syria.... LOL

I get why the rebels are fighting Assad. I uderstand their reasons and agree with them, but do you really think the US goverment would help them for rightous reasons?! LMFAO

How long have psychotic religious fanatics raped, tortured and massacred the people of Africa and other surrounding countries, yet the US has never intervened. At least not properly.

The US goverment never goes to these places to save or help innocent people. They go for the benefits of war (selling weapons etc) and the spoils.

Also think about 2 things here for a second:

Firstly what the rebals in Syria are doing is not so different to what Al Qaeda SUPPOSEDLY did to the US and UK. Yet we come down on them like a ton of bricks and then support another group of people who are trying to achieve the same goal in a different country. How are people too stupid to see this?! LOL

Even more ironic that some of these rebels are in fact Al Qaeda.... Ah yes lets help topple a goverment and put our sworn enemy in charge of the country. LOL


Now the second thing is, anyone who is a fan of star wars or has seen it.... You do know that "the empire" is based on the US right? That makes people like Al Qaeda the rebelion.... This is a good way to start seeing the US goverment and Elites for what thye truly are.


NOTE: I do not support Al Qaeda in any way, Unlike the US goverment... *cough*  (training them and selling weapons etc <-- Comfirmed FACT by Hilary Clinton)

Edited by Coffey, 20 November 2012 - 12:30 PM.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:43 PM

View PostCoffey, on 20 November 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

WHAT?! LMFAO

If that is so then why do they want to put a militant group in power of Syria.... LOL

I get why the rebels are fighting Assad. I uderstand their reasons and agree with them, but do you really think the US goverment would help them for rightous reasons?! LMFAO

How long have psychotic religious fanatics raped, tortured and massacred the people of Africa and other surrounding countries, yet the US has never intervened. At least not properly.

The US goverment never goes to these places to save or help innocent people. They go for the benefits of war (selling weapons etc) and the spoils.

Also think about 2 things here for a second:

Firstly what the rebals in Syria are doing is not so different to what Al Qaeda SUPPOSEDLY did to the US and UK. Yet we come down on them like a ton of bricks and then support another group of people who are trying to achieve the same goal in a different country. How are people too stupid to see this?! LOL

Even more ironic that some of these rebels are in fact Al Qaeda.... Ah yes lets help topple a goverment and put our sworn enemy in charge of the country. LOL


Now the second thing is, anyone who is a fan of star wars or has seen it.... You do know that "the empire" is based on the US right? That makes people like Al Qaeda the rebelion.... This is a good way to start seeing the US goverment and Elites for what thye truly are.


NOTE: I do not support Al Qaeda in any way, Unlike the US goverment... *cough*  (training them and selling weapons etc <-- Comfirmed FACT by Hilary Clinton)
What you describe there Coffey is the way nations do business.  They operate out of self interests.  ALL nations do this.  The reason the US is held to a different standard is the rhetoric that comes out of our government.  I think it's hypocritical to portray ourselves as one thing while doing another.  Syria, in fact, has no value to the US except as a problem that must be dealt with if the chemical weapons stocks they are KNOWN to have (by international observation) become unsecured.  Then the US has a real reason to intervene.  Until then I give credit to Obama for keeping our people out of that meat grinder.  Truth is that the US didn't benefit at all from the Libya incursion, we were doing that as an obligation to NATO and our European allies' need for that sweet crude.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:10 PM

Not all governments act like that, actually. And the reason the U.S. Gets so much stick is due to the staggering scale they operate.

Also, Syria actually has massive value. Take away Syria and you have taken away Iran's only military alliance. Which, when it comes down to it, is the reason we are forcing regime change in a country who's people largely don't want it (like we do all over the world).

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:19 PM

View PostExpandMyMind, on 20 November 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

Not all governments act like that, actually. And the reason the U.S. Gets so much stick is due to the staggering scale they operate.

Also, Syria actually has massive value. Take away Syria and you have taken away Iran's only military alliance. Which, when it comes down to it, is the reason we are forcing regime change in a country who's people largely don't want it (like we do all over the world).
Yes, you are correct about that aspect of Syria "having value".  I was just thinking of the old saw about the US invading to reap the natural resources of a country (oil) and then subjugating it's people.  But, yes, Syria being separated from Iran's orbit would be a great benefit (I think) for the US and Israel.  Of course that might also be a wash or even detrimental depending on which group claims power there.  One thing sure is that no matter who gains ascendency they will be no friend of the US or Israel.  In fact they will be able to portray Uncle Sam as culpable for the suffering since we had "an obligation" to stop the slaughter and did not.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:40 PM

View Postand then, on 20 November 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

if the chemical weapons stocks they are KNOWN to have (by international observation) become unsecured.

Is that "KNOWN" in the same way as Saddam/Iraq having WMD's?


So "KNOWN" is code for "BS"....?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:39 PM

View Postlightly, on 20 November 2012 - 12:59 AM, said:

... but if we  the coalition attack,   no chemical weapons will be found. However it will soon be determined that they were transported back through Iraq   . .   and into Iran .


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Syria does have chemical weapons, they've come right out and said so. So the comparison with Iraq's WMDs doesn't match up.

As for the OP I think this is just spitballing. I don't think the US is stupid enough to get involved unless it has widespread support to do so.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:23 PM

View PostCorp, on 20 November 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Syria does have chemical weapons, they've come right out and said so. So the comparison with Iraq's WMDs doesn't match up.

As for the OP I think this is just spitballing. I don't think the US is stupid enough to get involved unless it has widespread support to do so.
As I said, the chemical weapons are the ONLY thing that could cause the US to become involved.  But if those weapons start disappearing or moving into position to be used then yeah, I think we'd need to get involved.  And floating a story about that size a contingent force might also be a good marker to lay on the table with Assad just now while he might be thinking everyone's eyes are elsewhere.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:49 PM

Don't drag the US into this.

My two cents.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:16 PM

View PostCoffey, on 20 November 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

WHAT?! LMFAO

If that is so then why do they want to put a militant group in power of Syria.... LOL

I get why the rebels are fighting Assad. I uderstand their reasons and agree with them, but do you really think the US goverment would help them for rightous reasons?! LMFAO

How long have psychotic religious fanatics raped, tortured and massacred the people of Africa and other surrounding countries, yet the US has never intervened. At least not properly.


I for one would like to see the US get its hands on these chemical weapons and have them destroyed or removed back to america.

If there were african countries capable of using chemical weapons then i imagine there would be coalition involvement in those countries as well.

Whichever radical religious fanatic rules Syria, let them do it without the power of chemical weapons.

What is wrong with this stance?





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