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[Still Waters]

Researchers at a Scottish university have found that crows are far more social than previously thought - and could be using their friendships to pass on information.

St Andrews University researchers fitted more than 40 New Caledonian crows with radio tags - and found they all spent much more time socialising with other, unrelated, crows than with their own families.

The crows, from New Caledonia, a remote island in the South Pacific, are renowned for their ability to use tools to get food.

http://www.dailymail...ps-friends.html

[ouija ouija]

It breaks my heart to see birds with man-made stuff attached to them. The first photo shows a wild bird with rings on both legs and a large tag and a 4" aerial attached to it's back ........ I wonder why these people think they have the right to do that?

[Darkwind]

We are going to have to redefine what intelligence is in animals.   They are making us look like fools.

[Mantis914]

I can say that crows definitely are transmitting to others information by their calls (caws) as I leave for work every day, they are cawing in the field across the street from my home.  They seem to be following the one crow with the loud mouth but as to what they are doing or what they have found, I haven't had the time to look yet.

[Hilander]

Crows are so smart.  I had a group of them here at my house in a aerial fight with a hawk.  The crows kept calling until another group came over from across the highway to help run the hawk off.

[ouija ouija]

There you go! Many people know animals are intelligent and swap information between themselves ...... we don't need stupid scientists wasting good money to tell us that.

[redhen]

Crows are very intelligent. They can figure out Archimdes principle. There are probably many people who can't, and of course human juveniles. Tell me again what gives us the right to treat non-human animals as property again?

https://www.youtube....h?v=GUDpCwklTSQ

I know, I know, Might equals right.

[The Mule]

these guys do studies to confirm this? Its pretty obvious when you hear them cawing to each other from tree to tree that they're "passing information" and they certainly managed to rouse a whole murder of crows (no pun intended) to systematically dive bomb at my dog while he was killing one of them (sorry if I've stated this over and over, but it was a joyous day for me).

[Abramelin]

Still Waters, on 12 September 2012 - 07:02 PM, said:

Researchers at a Scottish university have found that crows are far more social than previously thought - and could be using their friendships to pass on information.

St Andrews University researchers fitted more than 40 New Caledonian crows with radio tags - and found they all spent much more time socialising with other, unrelated, crows than with their own families.

The crows, from New Caledonia, a remote island in the South Pacific, are renowned for their ability to use tools to get food.

http://www.dailymail...ps-friends.html

And New Caledonian crows are not that special concerning socializing and corvid intelligence:  European rooks are a smart as any of them.

What is truelly amazing is that scientists travel to a remote corner of the world, but don't bother to look in their backyard (well, except a few of them).

Try YouTube, and find out for yourself.

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Edited by Abramelin, 13 September 2012 - 01:41 AM.

[The Mule]

Abramelin, on 13 September 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

And New Caledonian crows are not that special concerning socializing and corvid intelligence:  European rooks are a smart as any of them.

What is truelly amazing is that scientists travel to a remote corner of the world, but don't bother to look in their backyard (well, except a few of them).

Try YouTube, and find out for yourself.

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i think all the crows are in MY backyard!

[Abramelin]

redhen, on 12 September 2012 - 08:37 PM, said:

Crows are very intelligent. They can figure out Archimdes principle. There are probably many people who can't, and of course human juveniles. Tell me again what gives us the right to treat non-human animals as property again?

https://www.youtube....h?v=GUDpCwklTSQ

I know, I know, Might equals right.

I'd like to see one chimp do that as fast as that rook.

Or this:

[lightly]

duh..  so do ants,  and bees.  Just because we don't speak bird... is meaningless.

[DKO]

We have ravens where I live. I've seen them on many occasions do surprising things. Like pick up a biscuit off the ground, then walk it over to a puddle and dunk it in to soften it up then eat it.

[Darkwind]

ouija ouija, on 12 September 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

There you go! Many people know animals are intelligent and swap information between themselves ...... we don't need stupid scientists wasting good money to tell us that.

If you don't do the science then how will you know if they are doing more than just guarding territory or looking for mates.  If you don't test out theory then we might as well go back and believe mice are spontaneous from straw and cloth.

[meryt-tetisheri]

Crows are also capable of coordinating an attack or a hunt. I saw a murder of crows split into two groups in order to attack a duck's nest. One group pecked at the mother to force her away from the nest, and continued to harass her to keep her away, while the other group attacked the eggs.  They are notorious for attacking ducklings, chicks...etc