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#376    HerNibs

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:03 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

so in order for you not to sell guns to your neighbour we need to take all your guns away, right??
or we could just hold you responcible for any crime that will be commited with YOUR gun. it doesn't matter that you didn't kill your neighbor gf, you are responcible for it. since guns you sold are yours.

oh wait, we already do so.

also how did you get your guns in a first place? did you buy them legaly? filled out special required form, had your background chack ran (done at every gun shop), and gun serial # is next to your name?? and you telling me you would just sell them with no record of it????

All my guns are legal.  Nope, didn't fill out a special form for all of them.  Nope, didn't have to get a background check for all of them.  Nope, there is not a form for all of them with a serial number.

What I said is that I don't have to have any type of paperwork or registration or check to sell my weapons to anyone I want.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:12 PM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 14 January 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

The difference is in passing certain requirements or tests for obtaining guns, and having to store them properly.
we already have that. and yes it is about takeing guns away, politicians openly say it.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

we already have that.

Really?  What state requires restricted storage?

Training?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:15 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

lol, nice try. but your question doesn't make any sense.if you wanted to run over bunch of kids crossing the road and were allowed to drive a car, do you think that is how it should be?

Do you normally like to avoid giving a decent answer? or are you just making a special effort for me?   You are completely avoiding my question because it seems you know that it would not be right to sell you or anyone a gun  knowing you are going to use it to kill and only kill others ( murder sprees )

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

well there is no law that prohibits selling guns to someone YOU consider an idiot. only criminals and metaly disturbed. nra has nothing to do with it. they support not lettting those ppl have a gun,

I also previously said- Does this mean it should be dead easy for ANY muppet to get a gun?.. This means anyone..Whether they be an idiot, mentally disturbed and so on.. Your answer was  - YES ... I find that completely nonsensical ..

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  no it is not, there is no legal way to sell guns to ireland, unless it is gvmnt backed contract.   
Yes there was legal way or them to purchase guns from the US..They had their connections  ( family members and friends who lived there ) to help them get them and it made it so easy for any one of them to get the guns and ship them elsewhere..  This was well known fact over here.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:16 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 14 January 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

Really?  What state requires restricted storage?

Training?

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i know my city does. when licensed (in my city we need licenses too) owner is not on premesies, when he is, he has every right to carry loaded gun on him on that property.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

What is your city? And how do you have to store your gun?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:19 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

i know my city does. when licensed (in my city we need licenses too) owner is not on premesies, when he is, he has every right to carry loaded gun on him on that property.

In your city do you need a license for ANY type of gun?  Training as well?  Is it a requirement to store all weapons safely and securely when not in use?

BTW - what you said is NOT true for the entire country.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:27 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 14 January 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

Do you normally like to avoid giving a decent answer? or are you just making a special effort for me?   You are completely avoiding my question because it seems you know that it would not be right to sell you or anyone a gun  knowing you are going to use it to kill and only kill others



I also previously said- Does this mean it should be dead easy for ANY muppet to get a gun?.. This means anyone..Whether they be an idiot, mentally disturbed and so on.. Your answer was  - YES ... I find that completely nonsensical ..


Yes there was legal way or them to purchase guns from the US..They had their connections  ( family members and friends who lived there ) to help them get them and it made it so easy for any one of them to get the guns and ship them elsewhere..  This was well known fact over here.
sorry i'm not answering question that don't make sence, or tricky.  do you kill ppl before or after dinner?
if there was leagal way (actually there is, but fee is 300-600 for each gun, tons of paper work, custom forms, compliance..) that what do you complaing about, if your terrorists used it to kill your citizens, it is their fault, isn't it? oh, there is also a Arms Export Control Act.
hey, my cat was ran over by a  bmw, should i blame german export laws, and germans in general?

i told you many times there is no such defenition as muppet, or idiot in usa law, only criminals and mentaly disrerbed, if they have history of violent mental disorders, than they are not allowed to even touch a gun, same for felons.
we don't deny a right to somneone you don't like. law is the same for everyone here. you are innocent untill proven guilty, at least we try to keep it that way.

to know better what you mean, define muppet, and idiot.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:38 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 14 January 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

In your city do you need a license for ANY type of gun?  Training as well?  Is it a requirement to store all weapons safely and securely when not in use?

BTW - what you said is NOT true for the entire country.

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yes for any type of gun. if you want to know more go to nyc.gov, no laws that require training, however there is an interview with detective before you issued a lisence, along with 9 monuth (for pistols) and 2 mount for rifles investigation.you right not true for entire country, in state of vermont there is no lisence requirment, no restriction, anyone can carry. (not felons and mental patients), yet its crime rate lower than any state, way lower.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:44 PM

And you conclude it is because of the gun laws?


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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:46 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

yes for any type of gun. if you want to know more go to nyc.gov, no laws that require training, however there is an interview with detective before you issued a lisence, along with 9 monuth (for pistols) and 2 mount for rifles investigation.you right not true for entire country, in state of vermont there is no lisence requirment, no restriction, anyone can carry. (not felons and mental patients), yet its crime rate lower than any state, way lower.


So no training.  No special requirements for storage.  

New York City Laws

Hmm...you can't even have one loaded at home.  

So, you abide by all these laws and have a problem with having the rest of the country abide by even fewer?

I don't understand.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:48 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

sorry i'm not answering question that don't make sence, or tricky.  do you kill ppl before or after dinner?

Really?  I would say yes indeed it does make sense..  Here is exactly how this came to be...



View PostBeckys_Mom, on 14 January 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

So basically make it dead easy for any muppet to buy a gun ?


..  and your answer was.....

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 05:44 PM, said:

legaly it is easy already, and that is how it should be. for those that qualify,

I read this and thought to ask you a hypothetical question ..And so I put this to you...


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Hypothetically  - If you wanted to go on a mad killing spree and you were allowed to purchase a gun . Do you think that's how it should be ?

And for some reason you fail to give a decent answer because you think it doesn't make sense..  Thing is, from what and how this conversation went.. When I said ANY muppet, that means ANY ONE..  So, I therefore had to ask you that question to see if you STILL thought yes anyone should be given a gun ?    You know fine well that if anyone who was disturbed enough to want to go off on killing sprees, should not be allowed to buy a gun..Therefore  the laws logically should be tightened and make it harder for people to get guns..  

This is NOT saying ALL gun owners should hand their weapons over, nor is it suggesting ban all guns.. It is suggesting to tighten the gun laws up tighter and be more careful on who you sell guns to...

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      if your terrorists used it to kill your citizens, it is their fault, isn't it?                
I never suggested for a second it wasn't.. But I did point out that it was made easier for them going to the US...  If it was a lot harder for them to purchase them an harder elsewhere, then not as many would have been easily shot over here...

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:54 PM

i love how you convenietly missed or ignored frase anyone that qualified.


i also seriously boubt that it was easier to buy guns from usa, than from orginized crime gun runners. unless we looking at early version of fast and furious.
in that case it is gvmt conrtoled sale, so you want them to control my guns even thou they can't even control theirs??

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:00 PM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 14 January 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

And you conclude it is because of the gun laws?
no, i just see facts, they have easiest gun laws, and lowest crime. as opposed to my state with strongst laws and highest crime. i can't be sure that it is gun laws make the state safe, but they sure don't make it dangerous.what do you think?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:04 PM

View Postaztek, on 14 January 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

i love how you convenietly missed or ignored frase anyone that qualified.

It is a lot easier in the US for a citizen to buy a gun, the checks are not that hard to pass though.. This mean any idiot  or mental person can keep up their drive by shooting and murder sprees..  

A lot of Americans have admitted it is easy enough for anyone to get a gun.  I once watched a documentary, where a bank  ( Ironically ) was handing out free guns for those opening accounts .  Heck, you have TV shows like the Simpsons taking the p** out of it all.. It's common knowledge..Many idiots who are not responsible to keep guns will be more risky than those who do..But because it is easier to get their guns, any wonder you face tragic events by the gun...   ..

I am willing to bet that those who first put out the second amendment, had no idea what future generations would be doing and abusing the rights to own guns..

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 14 January 2013 - 07:06 PM.

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