U.S. terror attack likely by 2013, panel says

[acidhead]

"Terrorist organizations are intent on acquiring nuclear weapons," said the report, which has not been made public, although CNN has obtained a copy of it.

CNN obtained a copy of it! How convenient! http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/02/terror.re...ref=mpstoryview

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

-NEW: Next terror attack on U.S. likely to originate in Pakistan tribal areas, report says

-Terrorists with biological weapons could kill millions, panel's chairman says

-Biological attack more likely than nuclear attack, report says

-Number of nations with nuclear weapons also growing, panel says

It cited testimony before the commission from former Sen. Sam Nunn, who said that the "risk of a nuclear weapon being used today is growing, not receding."

While observing that Pakistan is a U.S. ally, the report said, "the next terrorist attack against the United States is likely to originate from within the Federally Administered Tribal Areas" in Pakistan. The tribal areas lie in northwest Pakistan where the government exerts little control; the United States says it is a haven for militants from both Pakistan and neighboring Afghanistan.

Congress created the commission to investigate and report on WMD and terrorism in line with a recommendation from the 9/11 Commission, which compiled a report on the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States. Commissioners heard testimony from more than 250 experts from around the world over the course of their six-month investigation.

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[MasterPo]

So tell me again why the Messiah is promising to slash the military?

[Lord Umbarger]

So tell me again why the Messiah is promising to slash the military?

To be like Clinton? I don't know. I do know that Clinton slashed the military by about a third. We had a 33% cut in the number of ships that were still in use during his administration as well as a large number of base closings across the country. Oddly enough, after he left office, we were seen a a perfect target for the 9/11 attacks. I guess the terrorists assumed that we were weak enough to not be able to respond.

I might be a gun nut and all but, I still think that anything someone does to limit our nations ability to defend it's self and it's interests abroad is a really bad idea.

I an old enough to remember the Soviets saying that they would bury the U.S> and then whe Reagan got into office, he started building up the military and Goby admited that there was no way that they could keep up with us militarily speaking. It has long been considered teh biggest nail in the communists coffin. No enemy takes the U.S. seriously unless they know that we can "clean their clocks". It sounds vicious but, hjistory has proven it to be true.

[MasterPo]

To be like Clinton?

And we know what that got us.

[Ufo Believer]

Yeah, it'll possibly happen in 2013, that is if the terrorist attack doesn't happen earlier.

[MasterPo]

Yeah, it'll possibly happen in 2013, that is if the terrorist attack doesn't happen earlier.

Biden did promise a major world crisis with in months of Obama's inaugeration.

[The Silver Thong]

So tell me again why the Messiah is promising to slash the military?

Because the "military" can't win against terrorists. Terrorists move, you clean up Afghanistan they move. You fix Iraq, they move. The military in no way can keep up this pace and follow them to every country around the globe. Nor will every country be as easy, as if this is easy(Iraq) hope you get my sarcasm there. The U.S. simply can't afford to maintain the might of the U.S. military. It's time to down size and start picking conflicts that are well planned instead of a hasty ambush.

[The Silver Thong]

Biden did promise a major world crisis with in months of Obama's inaugeration.

Yes he did say something along those lines and ya it's a little un-nerving, what does he know that we don't. I have a hint but it's tin foil hatty crap lol. (till it happens)

[MasterPo]

Because the "military" can't win against terrorists. Terrorists move, you clean up Afghanistan they move. You fix Iraq, they move. The military in no way can keep up this pace and follow them to every country around the globe. Nor will every country be as easy, as if this is easy(Iraq) hope you get my sarcasm there. The U.S. simply can't afford to maintain the might of the U.S. military. It's time to down size and start picking conflicts that are well planned instead of a hasty ambush.

The Clinton's tried to treat terrorism as a police matter. History proves the results.

If terrorists move from one place to another - follow them! Give them no rest, no place to hide!

[The Silver Thong]

The Clinton's tried to treat terrorism as a police matter. History proves the results.

If terrorists move from one place to another - follow them! Give them no rest, no place to hide!

and you think the U.S. can maintain this pace?

if you try they will break you up from the inside. You think the terrorists won't get meaner and bolder the tighter the noose gets. I'm not deffending terrorists, I'm just discribing what will happen if this road to oblivion continues.

Edited December 4, 2008 by The Silver Thong

[MasterPo]

and you think the U.S. can maintain this pace?

If not the U.S. military, who else do you trust in the world to protect you?

Italy?

Germany?

France?

Spain?

Brazil?

[Lord Umbarger]

and you think the U.S. can maintain this pace? if you try they will break you up from the inside. You think the terrorists won't get meaner and bolder the tighter the noose gets. I'm not deffending terrorists, I'm just discribing what will happen if this road to oblivion continues.

You make a good point here but, what are the options? If we don't go after them with all teeth showing, they won't just fade away. We may well be like the Roman Empire chasing after barbarians here but, what choice did they have? We can't simply stand by and watch our cities turn to rubble.

On the other hand, if we were to get serious about hunting them down and hurting the people that hide them, it may well lead to terrorist groups becoming a sort of "Persona non grata" even in the nations where crazy people are worshiped.

No matter how much you hate America or love killing children, are you going to be willing to house the enemies of the U.S. if it means the destruction of your own country, economy, cities? If we were to figure out who is the biggest supporter of terroism and nuke a few of their cities, how many other nations would clamer to be the new hotbed? Sure, teh U.N. would be really upset but, hell, they can't even keep the peace in the natins where they have a mandate to do so! What could they do about the U.S. acting to defend itself? Talk nasty about us?

[The Silver Thong]

If not the U.S. military, who else do you trust in the world to protect you?

Italy?

Germany?

France?

Spain?

Brazil?

That was far from the question I asked.

Read this slower, "and you think the U.S. can maintain this pace?"

As of right now the only real option is for the U.S. to scale back. You can run all over looking for the boogie man or you can fix whats wrong at home, both is not an option as you like to think.

Did Mumbia require the U.S. to solve there terrorist attack, did London? Did spain? The U.S. is not the worlds watch dog and thats were you come off sounding rather foolish. The world will continue with out the U.S. but can the U.S. continue with out the world, I think not and alienation is not the answer.

[MasterPo]

That was far from the question I asked.

Read this slower, "and you think the U.S. can maintain this pace?"

Snide reply not withstanding, yes I think they can and will until it's no longer needed. Fight them over there or fight them on Main Street. My vote is for the former.

Ball to you.

[The Silver Thong]

You make a good point here but, what are the options? If we don't go after them with all teeth showing, they won't just fade away. We may well be like the Roman Empire chasing after barbarians here but, what choice did they have? We can't simply stand by and watch our cities turn to rubble.

On the other hand, if we were to get serious about hunting them down and hurting the people that hide them, it may well lead to terrorist groups becoming a sort of "Persona non grata" even in the nations where crazy people are worshiped.

No matter how much you hate America or love killing children, are you going to be willing to house the enemies of the U.S. if it means the destruction of your own country, economy, cities? If we were to figure out who is the biggest supporter of terroism and nuke a few of their cities, how many other nations would clamer to be the new hotbed? Sure, teh U.N. would be really upset but, hell, they can't even keep the peace in the natins where they have a mandate to do so! What could they do about the U.S. acting to defend itself? Talk nasty about us?

WTF is this on about? Why do YOU keep saying I hate America and why do YOU think that I condone the murder of babies. I hope that YOU are not personally referring to me. Let me ask you this smart guy, how many American babies have died because of Iraq? I bet the number is zero as of the wars beginning. Now how many Iraqi babies have died since the start of the war due to Americans.

You want to justify the detonation of a nuclear weapon over a city of millions to get a few terrorists, you freakin scare me. OK lets play a game, lets say that America was attacked by terrorists and oh say they took out a couple of high rises. Ok then we find out that the terrorists are based in Afghanistan, so we attack right. Then we find out that oh lets say 85% of the terrorists came from an allied nation, lets call it Saudi Arabia. Then what we do is go hmmm we can't attack an Allie that attacked us lets attack there neighbor and see how that goes. Than more idiots get on the pedestal and say lets drop a nuke on some country that may or may not harbor terrorists and see how that goes. The lack of humanity appalls me.

I hope I read that wrong Lord and you can shoot me down if I did.

[Lord Umbarger]

Fight them over there or fight them on Main Street. My vote is for the former.

Personally, I'd rather watch the war on tv than fight it in my front yard.

The U.S. is not the worlds watch dog and thats were you come off sounding rather foolish.

Perhaps but, I don't see too many other nations that have the ability or intestinal fortitude to do what needs to be done. not to mention that everytime there is some kind of disaster, the world always says that America could do more to help... even though we generally give more then the rest of the world combined. Remember the suname in south east Asia?

I don't know that the world wants a watch dog but, they do want a sheep dog... at least when they see the wolf coming out of the bushes. historically, the U.S. has been the wests 911 in times of dire threat through out the 20th century. How many times did the U.S. send troops to Europe during the last century? How many times did we cahllenge aggression in the middle east? (Obviously, not enough). Every one is so bent out of shape about the bail out for failing U.S. companies, (I am too), but, how many remember the Marshall Plan that paid for rebuilding Europe after WWII?

The truth is, every one hates America until they get in a fix. Then when America needs to call in a few favors, we get the middle finger.

[MasterPo]

how many other nations would clamer to be the new hotbed?

There is evidence for this. Libya pretty much rolled over to the U.S. shortly after Shock&Awe started. The Col. didn't want the same to happen to him!

Edited December 4, 2008 by MasterPo

[The Silver Thong]

Snide reply not withstanding, yes I think they can and will until it's no longer needed. Fight them over there or fight them on Main Street. My vote is for the former.

Ball to you.

You are a very scared man Masterpo. You think the middle east will unite and invade the U.S. on it's own soil. Hell I'm not even talking the middle east anymore. So now you want to go and fight in India,Pakistan, Somolia, Jordan, Melasia,Egypt,Sudan ect ect. Can't be done as it would be a never ending battle. Hell lets add Canada to the list as we have known terrorist here, damn lets go even further and have America attack itself because there are known terrorist organizations there to. See what I mean, the U.S. can't attack nations because they have terrorist/criminals. See this is the snake eating it's own tail.

[The Silver Thong]

Personally, I'd rather watch the war on tv than fight it in my front yard.

Perhaps but, I don't see too many other nations that have the ability or intestinal fortitude to do what needs to be done. not to mention that everytime there is some kind of disaster, the world always says that America could do more to help... even though we generally give more then the rest of the world combined. Remember the suname in south east Asia?

I don't know that the world wants a watch dog but, they do want a sheep dog... at least when they see the wolf coming out of the bushes. historically, the U.S. has been the wests 911 in times of dire threat through out the 20th century. How many times did the U.S. send troops to Europe during the last century? How many times did we cahllenge aggression in the middle east? (Obviously, not enough). Every one is so bent out of shape about the bail out for failing U.S. companies, (I am too), but, how many remember the Marshall Plan that paid for rebuilding Europe after WWII?

The truth is, every one hates America until they get in a fix. Then when America needs to call in a few favors, we get the middle finger.

Go play the violin somewhere else, the oh so weak and picked on United States routine has been done to death.

[MasterPo]

You are a very scared man Masterpo. You think the middle east will unite and invade the U.S. on it's own soil. Hell I'm not even talking the middle east anymore. So now you want to go and fight in India,Pakistan, Somolia, Jordan, Melasia,Egypt,Sudan ect ect. Can't be done as it would be a never ending battle. Hell lets add Canada to the list as we have known terrorist here, damn lets go even further and have America attack itself because there are known terrorist organizations there to. See what I mean, the U.S. can't attack nations because they have terrorist/criminals. See this is the snake eating it's own tail.

If a nation provides safe heaven for terrorists, supports them with finance and supplies (and probably info and infrastructure) they are as guilty as the terrorists themselves.

The talaban in Afganastan was given the option to give up Al Queda or face the consequences. They chose the latter.

Hussein and Iraq are well known supporter of terrorists.

Same for Iran and Syria.

When a nation sends surrogates to attack another it's the same as their own troops. In essence, the terrorists are mercinaries for the sponsoring nation(s).

[The Silver Thong]

If a nation provides safe heaven for terrorists, supports them with finance and supplies (and probably info and infrastructure) they are as guilty as the terrorists themselves.

The talaban in Afganastan was given the option to give up Al Queda or face the consequences. They chose the latter.

Hussein and Iraq are well known supporter of terrorists.

Same for Iran and Syria.

When a nation sends surrogates to attack another it's the same as their own troops. In essence, the terrorists are mercinaries for the sponsoring nation(s).

Holy crap, do you know what you just said? your against yourself.

Fact the U.S. helped Saddam to power and sold him weapons and not only conventional.

Fact Osama was trained by the C.I.A. fact the U.S. supplied and supported Afghanistan when fighting Russia hence the U.S. armed Afghanistan

Fact Timothy McVeigh was a home grown terrorist trained in the U.S. military

Fact the F.B.I. had for knowledge of the attack on the world trade center in what? 1993 and what happened?

So what is the U.S sponsoring? and how do we defend ourselves. You asked the question.

[MasterPo]

Holy crap, do you know what you just said? your against yourself.

Fact the U.S. helped Saddam to power and sold him weapons and not only conventional.

Fact Osama was trained by the C.I.A. fact the U.S. supplied and supported Afghanistan when fighting Russia hence the U.S. armed Afghanistan

Fact Timothy McVeigh was a home grown terrorist trained in the U.S. military

Fact the F.B.I. had for knowledge of the attack on the world trade center in what? 1993 and what happened?

So what is the U.S sponsoring? and how do we defend ourselves. You asked the question.

Politics is often the choice of choosing the lesser of evils (or the evil of lessers).

At the time the decision was made the enemy of my enemy is my friend. There always was the potential it would come around and bite us. Perhaps it did. Either way it's irrelevant.

What the American gov did or didn't do years ago doesn't negate the fact of people trying to kill thousands or millions of Americans today.

Unless you feel the need to be a martyr for past events. Keep me and my family out of it.

[The Silver Thong]

Politics is often the choice of choosing the lesser of evils (or the evil of lessers).

At the time the decision was made the enemy of my enemy is my friend. There always was the potential it would come around and bite us. Perhaps it did. Either way it's irrelevant.

What the American gov did or didn't do years ago doesn't negate the fact of people trying to kill thousands or millions of Americans today.

Unless you feel the need to be a martyr for past events. Keep me and my family out of it.

Politics in general yes, a choice of two evils for sure, what interests me is the way an individual reads into politics or politics reads into the individual.

"the enemy of my enemy is my friend" see how that has just turned into a cop out. and it's not irrelevant.

People trying to kill millions of Americans, stop the press's just in from MasterPo Do you know what a million looks like? Fear my friend, take it and laugh at it. Oh and money don't count lol Just like the guys at the big three offering to work for a buck a year, what freakin bunch of hero's are they. sorry an off shoot there.

As far as your referance to your family, I wish you all a very merry Christmas and hope the new year is kind to you and yours. sincerly.

If I ever were a martyr it wouldn't be over this, thats forsure.

[SRCivic98]

Yeah, it'll possibly happen in 2013, that is if the terrorist attack doesn't happen earlier.

this is true. Biden and bunch of other politians said that Obama would be put to the test by a world crisis when he first went in. I would say that they said 2013 just to make people relax and go "oh well 2013!? HAHA That's what they think! Alright then we'll just go ahead and relax and wait for it then." That's what I would do at least in order to make the enemy think in order to soften them up and then hit them with everything that I know that I could. For those old enough, remember that guy from Russia years ago saying that they would take the USA without firing a single shot? 2013 could be the time for the attack which is 8:13 pm in military. So maybe at 8:00pm they strike (which during the winter and fall is pitch black outside) and make it so they invade and take over a highly decorated city within thirteen minutes. but why would you give away an attack like that you know? it would just be shooting your self in the foot.

[The Silver Thong]

this is true. Biden and bunch of other politians said that Obama would be put to the test by a world crisis when he first went in. I would say that they said 2013 just to make people relax and go "oh well 2013!? HAHA That's what they think! Alright then we'll just go ahead and relax and wait for it then." That's what I would do at least in order to make the enemy think in order to soften them up and then hit them with everything that I know that I could. For those old enough, remember that guy from Russia years ago saying that they would take the USA without firing a single shot? 2013 could be the time for the attack which is 8:13 pm in military. So maybe at 8:00pm they strike (which during the winter and fall is pitch black outside) and make it so they invade and take over a highly decorated city within thirteen minutes. but why would you give away an attack like that you know? it would just be shooting your self in the foot.

What the